This is just a simple experiment to see if our random group of Forumers can predict who our next president will be.  Are we a diverse enough group, or do we lean toward one side of the political spectrum.  Obviously a large percentage of us are not even of voting age, so this should be interesting.

Let's see if we can keep this thing going until November.

(by the way, I didn't want this to be a big political debate thread, just a poll.  A little debate is fine but let's not get carried away...)

Plus why go into a war when the nation is economically unstable? That sounds like what happened in czarist Russia with Nicholas II. Went into WW1, ignored domestic issues, and his country fell into revolution.

Didn't WWII pull us out of the great depression?  Have you ever heard of the phrase, "good little war". (What president said that and what war was he refering to?  I forget)

I'm not saying any nation should go to war to help their economy, I'm just doubting your statement.  I find it hard to compare modern day USA to czarist Russia. 

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^^^It's the myth of war that people think we will arise from a depression if we enter war.

Wait, E-98,who has biological weapons again? Don't be pointing fingers at countries that have yet to have any evidence of them even having a WMD program.

Enos Shenk wrote: I would say neither, but really, ill take anyone but dubya.

 I would agree with you for once, maybe Enos should run for President!

I would vote for Bush..but im not old enough.

Hes doin a great job, our country is 10000% safer than when Clinton was in office, and he actually is doing something bout the growing terrorist threats.

Dune wrote: Wait, E-98,who has biological weapons again? Don't be pointing fingers at countries that have yet to have any evidence of them even having a WMD program.

Well.  Besides the modile biological sites or whatever you call em.  All I can say is that if you feed the U.S. mis-information like this, then we ARE going to act on that mis-information.  I have said it before and I will say it again--you cannot take this risk.

How can you people know who you are voting for already?  It's only April - shouldn't we give Kerry a chance to show his colors first, for better or worse?  That's how democracy is supposed to work, anyway...

(And, BTW, I will repeat my prediction - Kerry/Edwards defeats Bush/Cheney this fall.)

^^if he did screw up so many things it shouldn't be that hard to list a couple.

Rambino has a point there--but I am sorta thinking it will be for the worse.  Just me though. 

^^^^^  Not an endorsement by me...  Kerry is not impressive so far.  Just a prediction...

:)

nunez wrote: btw i could change my mind especially if the weapons are discovered but either way i think bush will win

or you could use the edit button.

Do you think that bush went to war because of his dad?  or were you told that?

heh, people just love makin excuses for their stupid biased opinions.

That wouldnt make sense that he went to for cuz of his dad. His dad went to war to defend Kuwait, who supplied us with the most oil in the middle east, at the time.

JoeSnuffy wrote: I sense your prediction is based on the supposition that everything's going to go down the crapper this summer. A distinct possibility. I however remember the October surprise scenerio... Bin Ladin's body will be put on display shortly before Halloween, and we'll all hear the story of a brilliant commando raid that found him cowering in some Pakistani tribesmans outhouse with an AK and a sattelite phone.

Very true - I do have a few caveats on my prediction.  If bin Laden is captured/killed, that could keep Bush in office.  A complete economic recovery (not counting "jobless recoveries") could do it.

Or, of course, a complete Kerry melt-down of Dean-esque proportions, but I find that very unlikely.  He is too good at politics.

fractus.scud wrote: vote for Dubya, all the things that happened are the Democrats fault. If Clinton was busy worrying about other things besides his affairs we might be in a better posistion. right now.

How can you possibly know that?  Heck, how can it possibly be true?

The "blind adherence to the party line and talk radio" approach to political decisions really has its downfalls.

With all the "I Bush" threads, I can't beleive he's ahead 26 to 9!

What's with that??

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I did say we "might" be in a better position now, not for sure, lets just face it their all politics.

^^^ I agree, although I think everybody likes a good debate.  However, the "crap talk" defeats the purpose of this thread.  So, at the risk of repeating myself...

rmorey wrote: (by the way, please don't post replies... I didn't want this to be a political debate, just a poll.  I'm only allowing replies so we can keep bumping this to the top of the list.)

PaiNTbALLfReNzY wrote: Enos Shenk wrote: I would say neither, but really, ill take anyone but dubya. Seriously. I was pretty conservative until I noticed how bad Bush was and now I'm turning liberal (thanks to Bill Handel and Tom Lyekis, radio talk show hosts). He ignored the economy, Al Queida threats, OPEC, and other domestic issues. I mean gas prices are going up the wazoo, just tell OPEC that we need to renegotiate our contracts on gas prices and output. Plus why go into a war when the nation is economically unstable? That sounds like what happened in czarist Russia with Nicholas II. Went into WW1, ignored domestic issues, and his country fell into revolution. Plus bush is turning fascist so ya lets get him out.

sounds like me, minus the conservative part....

EYES wrote: Bush will win, he's just more popular.

Bush doesn't deserve to win. Do you see what he has done in Iraq? 20 troops have died since this weekend. It may be "war" and this stuff happens. But, something is still going wrong. He also is ruining our family business. Bush is all for the overpowering rich people, that don't need to be more rich, and ruins the middle class. So, all you guys out there that complain about paint prices and things, obviously are middle class, so, why still vote for Bush, or say you would vote for Bush. I know why, because of his father, and their name. I may be 15 but I talk these things over with my step dad all the time.

When I was in 6th grade we had a vote for all the 6th graders. Al-Gore or Bush. Guess who won...Bush did. No one even knew who he was they just heard about him a lot,maybe their parents were rich and voted for him or just heard from him being so popular. I have plenty more things to say but I will hold myself back for now seeing it is only April.

Kerry is a joke and a fraud. All Kerry knows how to do is throw critisim at Bush instead of giving answers on how he could have made things better. The other thing i find wrong with Kerry is he can't give real answers in interviews. He can't decide how he feels about the war. He has yet to show if he really supports the war or opposes it. If Kerry can't decide on something like that then how the <KRL> is he going to make good political choices. Maybe some fairy will come and whisper things in his ear because he definitly has no idea what he is doing. If Kerry has better ideas he has yet to explain them. Other then bashing Bush, Kerry has no plans at all. He has no idea what to do.So far i don't see Kerry as a good leader. Kerry is a fraud and a joke. If he became president we would have terriost knocking at our door everday and why...because Kerry is  to scared to do anything and to send troops to get rid of the terrorist. Im voting for Bush.

hold on im fixing it.....

There fixed.  

fire_psycho wrote: I voted for bush because that Kerry guy is a lying sack of crap. First he goes "I am a WAR HERO" and then he says "I don't understand why we are even over there".

While Kerry has come out vaguely opposed to the war, I am pretty sure that he has never thumped his chest about his past military experience.

But even if he had, how does that make him "a lying sack of crap?"

Kerry may suffer from his share of political vagueness disease, but I think you will be hard pressed to pin an outright lie on him.

and the libralists need to lay off

Yes, those Libras are threatening the freedom of the world.

<Bunch of mud-slinging meaningless fluff>

I think to many people forgot the horror of 9/11. I bet that if Kerry was president more attacks like 9/11 will happen.

Rambino wrote: I voted for bush because that Kerry guy is a lying sack of crap. First he goes "I am a WAR HERO" and then he says "I don't understand why we are even over there. While Kerry has come out vaguely opposed to the war, I am pretty sure that he has never thumped his chest about his past military experience. But even if he had, how does that make him "a lying sack of crap?".

wow and thats great someone like that will make a great president. pff yea right. 

I agree with the other guy. Kerry would be hiding in some under ground bunker.

fractus.scud wrote: After 9-11 Bush was standing on top of the rubble telling us how he was going to retaliate, if Kerry was president hed probably be hiding in some underground bunker in the middle of no-where saying nothing.

And you base your guesswork on...  what? 

Just because Kerry tried to avoid Vietnam, and didn't fight, and - no, wait.  Oops.

ImpyKing wrote: I think to many people forgot the horror of 9/11. I bet that if Kerry was president more attacks like 9/11 will happen.

Again with the random guesses.

JoeSnuffy wrote: No I doubt you'll catch Kerry in an outright lie. He's had too much slickster training from Teddy Kennedy (Chappaquiddik anyone?) and Bill Clinton.

I will agree with that - I am concerned about the level of "politician" Kerry is displaying.  Very slippery indeed, and his primary motivation appears to be to disagree with Bush as much as possible.

:(

ImpyKing wrote: wow and thats great someone like that will make a great president. pff yea right.  I agree with the other guy. Kerry would be hiding in some under ground bunker.

I do not believe I have endorsed Kerry.  But neither do I see any foundation for the random conjecture about what Kerry would have done.  That is a meaningless exercise that serves only as rabblerousing propaganda sheepfood for the mindless masses.

Multi-Colored J wrote: I think you killed yourself there and made his guesswork correct...

You may want to read that a little slower...   :)

Rambino wrote: Supafly for President.

Actually, I think we need Big Jim Slade for President.

We could move the White House to Lincoln, Neb!!

Rambino wrote: fractus.scud wrote: After 9-11 Bush was standing on top of the rubble telling us how he was going to retaliate, if Kerry was president hed probably be hiding in some underground bunker in the middle of no-where saying nothing. And you base your guesswork on...  what?  Just because Kerry tried to avoid Vietnam, and didn't fight, and - no, wait.  Oops.

Hiding in and underground bunker? Well the first thing we'd have to do is coax the Vice President out of there so someone else can hide for a while.

JoeSnuffy wrote: Our last good president was Ronald Reagan.

Yes, he was the best President. Much like Jessica Simpson is the most brilliant mind of our time.

dye4dom420 wrote: EYES wrote: Bush will win, he's just more popular. Bush doesn't deserve to win.

I didn't say he does. I'm saying that the public has hyped him up and worshiped him so much that it's going to be really hard to beat him.

JoeSnuffy wrote: I sort of feel comforted that Monty Burns is down in that hole with Dr. Strangelove.

I think this is funny, but I am unable to de-layer the sarcastic multi-generational pop-culture references.

:)

BUSH all the way because he isn't scary lookin

kerry always has the same exact face! his face doesn't change! and he does stare of into the distance while talking!

Yeah, but have you seen Laura Bush?  She is the scariest first lady EVER!

If I ever met her in a dark alley I would run into the safety of Jeffrey Dahmer's arms.

I said "scary" - not ugly.  And I stand by my statement.

This woman has one facial expression - check out the frozen smile, the empty eyes.  Frankenstein has more facial expressions than Laura Bush.  Al Gore even has more facial expressions than this.

I'm telling you - she wants to eat your baby.  She frightens me.

i skipped the last page and a half or so.  but i have one question for all of you:

If you were a terrorist who would you vote for?

VTpaintballer wrote: BUSH all the way because he isn't scary lookin kerry always has the same exact face! his face doesn't change! and he does stare of into the distance while talking!

i agree. I also find it funny how closley he resmebles Mister Ed the talking horse.

People might have evolved from apes but i think Kerry's side of the family evolved from horses.

I watched Kerry on Neil Cavuto yesterday and he came off in my eyes as an arrogant moron who's never spent a day with real people since he rode the freedom bird home from Vietnam. Even then he was an officer and thus in a more comfortable part of the plane with beverage service apart from the enlisted riff-raff in the back who actually did the fighting. I litterally get ill everytime one of these neo-socialist north-eastern liberals opens thier mouth about "fighting for working families" or "targeted middle class tax breaks".

I agree and I also hope that you Kerry supporters know that Kerry is going to increase taxes.

As i said already Kerry is a fraud and an absolute joke.

Rambino wrote: ^^^^^   Why should I care who the terrorists want?

because whoever they want, you vote for the opposite.

WUNgUN wrote: Dune wrote: "No Child Left Behind Act" Makes me ill...

Man at least someone is feeling me on this. That right there should be grounds for impeachment in my book. Nader said it better than anyone else, Bush should be impeached.