i think that they could take us out now

and we should not take weapons away from ourselves

seriously, if they would use most of their men theyd still have a bigger army than the entire US population

nuke em now, end of threat

Who cares about nuclear retaliation?

i hope china never ever invades the US.  GOD i would not like to see the draft brought back, and DEFINATLY would not like to have to learn chinese.  China has its borders and we have ours.  Lets keep it that way.

im not sure if they have the power to beat us now, even witrh their overwhelming man power, since we have weapons 20 years more advanced than theirs but in 6 years, who knows.

spydero99 wrote: i have heard that China has said in 2010 they will have sufficient military power to take over the US, while in the meantime, we are disarming nuclear weapons. Also, i noticed that the US is never mentioned in the bible, the bible says the bear and the dragon (russia and china) will bear down on Israel from the east. what are your thoughts on this matter?

Thats cuz they multiply like freekin' bunnies.

LastShot0330 wrote: Thats cuz they multiply like freekin' bunnies.

I think you got the bunnies backwards...  China has strict population control measures in place.

E-98 wrote: nuke em now, end of threat Who cares about nuclear retaliation?

I do, who the  wouldnt?? Im about 60 miles outside of NYC, a Nuke hitting there would easily kill me. You might not be worried cause you probably live in hicksville, the place no one cares about.

what re nukes ditance?

or is that clasified?

sorry Pate,

I forgot the sarcasm tags    silly me

Jim Paint wrote: isnt it 2 children a family?

One child per family.  Some exceptions, but after that it is mandatory abortion and reeducation camp.

impulse wrote: Pate wrote: E-98 wrote: nuke em now, end of threat Who cares about nuclear retaliation? I do, who the  wouldnt?? Im about 60 miles outside of NYC, a Nuke hitting there would easily kill me. You might not be worried cause you probably live in hicksville, the place no one cares about. Who cares about NY?

[sarcasm] Yeah--New York?  HA!  Might as well be Dubai for all I care.[/sarcasm]

  J/K

Rambino wrote: Jim Paint wrote: isnt it 2 children a family? One child per family.  Some exceptions, but after that it is mandatory abortion and reeducation camp.

thatll cut the pop in half in 100 years

but whaat is reeducation camp?

google didnt really help me

Enos Shenk wrote: Fort Wayne is in the top 20 nuclear strike targets i read once. I bet if we got nuked you could drive out to where the tippmann building used to be and find a bunch of barely scratched 98s and carbines laying all over

rofl

whats so important about ft wayne?

E-98 wrote: sorry Pate, I forgot the sarcasm tags    silly me

Didnt sense sarcasim...

kinda hard to if ur reading.

me, i live about 40 miles from NYC.  definatly dont want to see a nuke hitting here.

nvm...

I thought the Chinese invasion started already...There's like a million (ok, maybe not THAT many) Chinese food restaurants in my city...with more springing up every day...BTW, anybody want an eggroll?

<-----I like that even better...

Ah don't worry bout it. The US has the most powerful Navy in the world and will be able to stop the CHinese before they reach our beaches. We also have all the technology too. Don't forget the UN will also help us defend our borders. China's Navy is no competition competition compared to ours.

u guys r right.  We would loose a war on chinese soil (they know the land, they'll have the 'defend my country' mentality, plus they have much more manpower than we do).  But invading us, which is all about air and sea, they wouldnt stand a chance.  They would need, IMO, an entire fleet of their ships to beat one of ours.  Plus, we got the best and most trained people piloting and sailing.  And, if the war ever did reach American soil (god forbid) we'll have the 'defend our country' mentality, and when ur talking abut Americans, thats a very, very, very dangerous thing to our enemies. 

kej505 wrote: CarbineKid wrote: The US lost the stomach to fight a war, just look at the whiners now over Iraq. exactly. People these days think that it is this huge national tragedy if a soldier dies. Back in the day, there were hundreds dieing every day.

Those were the days, eh?

Homer J wrote: Jim Paint wrote: Enos Shenk wrote: Fort Wayne is in the top 20 nuclear strike targets i read once.I bet if we got nuked you could drive out to where the tippmann building used to be and find a bunch of barely scratched 98s and carbines laying all over rofl whats so important about ft wayne? Dark98 used my exact words

calm down fellow,

i dont think tippmann is why ft wayne is on the list

matt06 wrote: yea...it' d be just as bad for me, because I live in Lima ohio. Right now, your asking yourself, Where in the heck is Lima ohio? Well, its in worthwest ohio, and well, we would be screwed because we have a tank plant about 15 minutes from my house. Then, about 5 miles from that is a Oil refinery that its pipeline runs across the freakin state. I think we were on hitlers top 10 list, like right behind New york actually...

Peders powder factory is in kings, ohio

i live near there

it was a main supplier in WWII

mbro wrote: Well gosh darn, the US isn't mentioned in the bible? Why would that be? Maybe because they didn't even know abou the americas then and it doesn't pertain to russia or china at all.

Ok, first of all, The Bear IS a representation of Russia(Hittites), it was on their old national flag. Of course dragon=China. God knows the day you are going to die. He knows when the world will end etc., How did the Bible fortell the coming of the anti-christs? (Napoleon,Hitler,Laden) Nobody heard of them in the Roman times. The invasion of Israel is about to take place, I know this because for 2000 years they have been fighting and now it is turning fanatical

If the Chinese do invade, most likely all the female body parts that makeup NATO are goin 2 wuss out. If what the Bible is saying is true, when the Chinese invade, they will most definately win. Judging by how evil the U.S. is today, it reminds me of Israel in Biblical times when God had to tell Egypt to go conquer Israel, he opressed them for a time and they learned a lesson. I think this will happen to us.

So if China is destined to invade by the Bible, there will be no stopping it. No use in fighting and wasting Chinese+American lives.

Has anyone every asked themselves...how in the heck are they going to get over here?

That requires ships...thier definition of a destroyed is a freighter with a frickin' 155mm howitzered welded to the deck and their submarines are all Russian...

Hmm...

The bear could also mean the US...we do have grizzlies. Heck...the bear might be there...but we're a wolverine and we'll tear the crap outta a bear.

Shut Down wrote: Has anyone every asked themselves...how in the heck are they going to get over here? That requires ships...thier definition of a destroyed is a freighter with a frickin' 155mm howitzered welded to the deck and their submarines are all Russian... Hmm... The bear could also mean the US...we do have grizzlies. Heck...the bear might be there...but we're a wolverine and we'll tear the crap outta a bear.

Not if God doesn't want us to win.

Also they could cross the 50 something miles of water on the Bering Strait and not have to worry about an ocean, Shut down. 

If that happens, let them come.  I know I'll try to kill as many of them as I can before taking one in the chest.

^(Srry, just got done with Tears of the Sun, in a fighting mood.)^

You do realize, Tikiman, that nutcases have been predicting the end of the world, based on the Bible, since the day it was written?  And based on other religious writings before that (and since)...

If 1% of the Biblical predictions made were true, we would have had Armageddon 1,000,000,000,000 times by now.  Remember the year 2000?  How many people were predicting the end of the world at that time?

Tikiman. wrote: mbro wrote: Well gosh darn, the US isn't mentioned in the bible? Why would that be? Maybe because they didn't even know abou the americas then and it doesn't pertain to russia or china at all. Ok, first of all, The Bear IS a representation of Russia(Hittites), it was on their old national flag. Of course dragon=China. God knows the day you are going to die. He knows when the world will end etc.i believe God created the world and helps the world but lets it take its own road and make its own decisions. This is why I don't believe in fortelling the future, as you can not predict what is not yet set. I believe the Bible is a GENERAL keyword general book of rules for people to live by. Keep in mind taht it was not directly written by God,the morals and ideas are all 200 years old.It was written by people the way they interpreted Jesus' word. The Bible doesnt directly say anything about hitler,its all about how you interpret things. To different people, the bible can mean anything. , How did the Bible fortell the coming of the anti-christs? (Napoleon,Hitler,Laden) Nobody heard of them in the Roman times. The invasion of Israel is about to take place, I know this because for 2000 years they have been fighting and now it is turning fanatical If the Chinese do invade, most likely all the female body parts that makeup NATO are goin 2 wuss out.Yes but we alone could beat china.Britan,Us, Austrialia, and Canada, and Spain certianly could. Despite what Spain has recently done, I still believe in that situation they would helpus. If what the Bible is saying is true, when the Chinese invade, they will most definately win. Judging by how evil the U.S. is today

So if China is destined to invade by the Bible, there will be no stopping it. No use in fighting and wasting Chinese+American lives.

Project Irene wrote: Also they could cross the 50 something miles of water on the Bering Strait and not have to worry about an ocean, Shut down.  If that happens, let them come.  I know I'll try to kill as many of them as I can before taking one in the chest. ^(Srry, just got done with Tears of the Sun, in a fighting mood.)^

That would require...

1. Invasion of Russia or Russian cooperation

2. I'm betting we got some spies

3. We have satellites, we'll know about troop movements

4. That would require Canadian cooperation or invasion

5. We'll have subs there as wells as fighters and missiles to blow the heck outta them if they do cross (satellites).

Tikiman. wrote: Shut Down wrote: Has anyone every asked themselves...how in the heck are they going to get over here? That requires ships...thier definition of a destroyed is a freighter with a frickin' 155mm howitzered welded to the deck and their submarines are all Russian... Hmm... The bear could also mean the US...we do have grizzlies. Heck...the bear might be there...but we're a wolverine and we'll tear the crap outta a bear. Not if God doesn't want us to win.

God doesn't want a lot of things to happen...but they happen anyways, don't they? God doesn't like it when I cuss, but it happens. God don't like it when I get a wood from some chick on the strip....but it happens. God doesn't like it when I flip someone off...but it happens.

Both armies are very well equipped. The Chinese are most likely to dominate on the ground as they outnumber us American's 5 to 1 and use very good tanks, troop transports, rifles and other equipment. The American's are most likely to have air superiority, though. Their air force is superior to the Chinese. It's a close call, really. The Chinese military technology is inferior to the American's, most notably in the air. On the ground, the Chinese numbers and their massive firepower make up for the small tech gap in that area. The conflict would probably be one where both sides would get their share of hard-fought victories, but in the end the sides would be forced to give up, as it's impossible to reach either Beijing or Washington. A decisive victory is impossible since both sides are too powerful to suffer a massive defeat.

Either this, or it all ends in nuclear holocaust.

Added:

Some people also made some good points above. China really has no way of transporting troops over-sea's, unless they get ships from Russia or other country's. I can't see how they would get enough of there forces over here. And if we did go to war with China, China would be the battle ground. Our army can move in and out of battle zones before the enemy can react to the attack. And by the time they do our forces would be long gone. The only way I can ever see America being invaded is if our goverment was non-existant and our coutnry was in really bad shape due to massive natrual desasters or a bunch of nuke's that wiped most of our forces out. But even if they do invade they could never fully take over our coutnry they would have to many pissed off American freedom fighters to deal with, I mean we got Texas... I've never new any one that lived in texas that didn't have at least ten guns. We wouldn't tolerate them being in our coutnry for long seeing how good we American's pull together in time's of need we can and would fight off those commie's and send them packing.

Added:

Alright these are some stats that I found from a CIA World book 2001-2002...

Chinese Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 370,087,489 (2002 est.)

Chinese Population:
1,284,303,705 (July 2002 est.)

American Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 70,819,436 (2001 est.)

American Population:
280,562,489 (July 2002 est.)

The Chinese military manpower is more numorous than the USA's entire population. But what we American's lack in numbers we make up for with technoleogy.

Crossing this line would be...bad at the very best.

We would maintain air superiority, even complete dominance...so getting supplies in via air would be difficault at the very best. This is also very inefficient and uses massive amounts of fuel.

By land? Huge convoys would be required and this would, again, burn lot's of fuel. Hit them with stealth bombers relentlessly, if they use roads or paths, take them out. Train? Blow the tracks and bridges.

And even if we can't hit them from behind...they have to cross water, by ship or perhaps by a giant pontoon bridge which would be silly in my opinion. We'd hit them with subs and missiles, they wouldn't make it across.

But then again...Sun Tzu said one unit of something or other from the enemy is worth 20 of our own.

Tank battle...they do have numbers, but the way we train...our training and equipment and communication is so much better. Call in some air strikes and our infantry can slow down, harrass, and help take down tanks as well as some Hummers with those rockets attatched...

Without the air...they are blind. Fire off a rocket, take out a tank, and pull back and do it again.

Going into our cities would be suicidal unless they nuke it. In which case, China get's nuked too, I'm sure. Even then, they may not be successful in getting nukes through out missile defenses. The Germans, even with superior numbers and equipment, had a hard time in Stalingrad.

Then to go through the Rockies and later the Appalahians...meat grinder. Can't get armor through there with any speed. Drop a few bombs, destroy the road, come back a few hours later, drop another bomb, and kill the repair crew...they'll eventually run out of repair men and it will slow their forces down. Narrow mountain passes...hit one tank, the entire line has to stop. On steeper sides...hard as heck to manuver, there are only two directions so the enemy could be forced to dismount. Tunnel through...we'll blow the entrance with out precision bomb thinks.

Go around those mountains...desert. Go above...lakes.

Try to do that in the Appalachians...go North and you have the Great Lakes, to go below...I'm guessing you'll fight along very narrow area of land that will allow the US to mass forces to block it off.

Go through the plains...susceptible to air strikes all day.

Not to mention the possible heat from the other Asian countries economically, the problems from up North with Russian, issues on the West with NATO, and the southern parts, India and Australia potentially...heck...that's a paind in the but.

In my opinion, any battle that ever, ever, ever reaches this nations homelands will not be initialized by the use of manpower.  Rest assured, the best way to the heart of this country is TNW on Washington, New York, and strategic military installations.  After the dust clears, that 300,000,000 man army (rev's figures) would be able to move, cause havoc, and do a heckof alot more.  It's hard to imagine.

1. Who ever suggested this topic could actually come to past is a complete and total moron. Why would a country like China want to fight another country that is widely considered superior to it ,in technology, firepower, and tatics. We are only inferior to the Chinese when it comes to pure numbers of service men inlisted as of today. That problem could be very easily with a mandatory draft. I know that "Yeah, but China has more people than we do so they could pull upon more troops from their citizens", which is true. But you have to consider that these troops are anything buy trained correctly. It took what 20,000 marines to hold a city of 1 million Somalies at bay in the Mogadeshu inccident. What do you think 1,000 well trained Rangers, Delta Force, or Seals would do to a battalion of chinese. Hey numbers mean nothing in battle when you have superior technolgy working on your side, what good is soilder if he can't see at night. All of our troops have access to the latest in nightvision and thermal goggles today. When night fell I believe the "Dragon" would be droped into hell by US troops killing them at will. Also we would control the air superiority situation should it arise, If you have Air Superiority  Ground Superiority is not far behind, then Sea superiority inevitable.----------Of course I'm Sure the nuclear soultion has also been suggested. I forget who said this but the Associated Press were asking a former 4 star general why the communist Chinese would not be able to conquer America with their numbers......his reponse " Because there would be billions of fried rice krispies if it occured". Do people like Tikiman honestly believe we would not pick up large massive movement of troops on ship heading toward the US would not first be alerted by US satellites. They'd be dead before they left the Chinese shore to get here. It would be the shortest ride of their lifes.

2. Instead of a Massive, Long, Drawn-out war between the US and China. Don't you think it would be easier for the two to ally themselves along with The UK and carve out the rest of the world for themselves. Why have the Titans fight each other, when they can easily go after smaller much defenseless countries. Even though we and the UK are democratic (or a Republic depending upon how you look at it) and the Chinese (for now) are communist, there have been stranger alliances made in this world god knows.

3. As for this stupid crap "they bear the dragon are in bible and we aren't that must mean we're gonna die" That is a prime example of why some people should never be taught to read period...

Shut Down wrote: Gangstas, Rednecks (Project Irene), Anarchists, Delinquents, Cops, and Geeks would all rise up!

Me and my family certainly have guns.  I wonder what all those anti-gun campaigners would say when a Chinese officer breaks down their door and all they have are steak knives.

I wouldn't wait for the door to be kicked in, Irene I too am what you call a collector of firearms, the door would fall towards the out side due to bullet holes

If you stop and think about it, China has been training for a war with the USA for quite some time now. They announced I believe it was 5 or 6 years back that they consider the USA their biggest threat. China knows it would be pure suicide to attack America. They can say all they want about western civiliaztion but do you think they could sustain themselves without outside aid? Much less try to start a war with and industrialized and deep pocketed nation like the USA? Oh, you say China has the manpower to be a industrial superpower and fight a global war? Before you say that ytou might want to research on how much of the Chinese military is used in the civilian business markets since everything is owned by the government. Then to compare manpower is another no no. Shame on you lol. Thats like saying they have more men...they win. Next, lets see how much China spends equipping, training, and performing maintenance on their equipment and men as compared to the US. In 20 years there have been 170,000 military humvees produced. Thats 8500 a year during a peacetime mission. Do you think China spends that much on just trucks? I dont recall a Chinese tank that could come close to going toe to toe with an Abrahms tank. The T-90? Thats an equivalent to the M60 mbt. The United States trains heavily in combined arms, not human waves. Lets do some math here. Say you send a mass of troops charging to take an objective. Now as an ex American artilleryman I know that you can take a Paladin self propelled howitzer and fire 5 shots before the first hit the ground and all hitting the same spot. But if you staggered the rounds or conducted what is known in arty as sweep and zone...we could pretty much be called mass murderers after that if you know what I mean. The US has developed some pretty sweet rounds made specifically for troops in the open. This is just one weapon system. But of course if this did go down, you can bet bottom dollar that North Korea would take advantage and invade South Korea. It would be a mess, but like said before, they'd have to get here somehow first. If not it would be a nuke exchange.

United we stand, but if were not united we will not stand for long. That's why I hate how the stinking democrats keep trying to divide our country. By dividing us they are helping the terrorist win, again.. they are helping them win... don't you see that? They want us divided... I mean isn't it a little strange that the middle east wants Kerry as president? Now just think a bit about that will yah... Our enemy's want Kerry as president.. humm.. Why would our enemy's want Kerry as president? Oh yeah because he's a class act that will do us more harm than they could ever do.. We have many enemy's most are right here in our own country, they may masquerade there self's as people who want the best thing for us but its all just lies they are out to gain for there self's and there self's alone. I think we should be worrying about our nations enemy's that are here a bit more.

-Rev- wrote: United we stand, but if were not united we will not stand for long. That's why I hate how the stinking democrats keep trying to divide our country. By dividing us they are helping the terrorist win, again.. they are helping them win... don't you see that? They want us divided... I mean isn't it a little strange that the middle east wants Kerry as president? Now just think a bit about that will yah... Our enemy's want Kerry as president.. humm.. Why would our enemy's want Kerry as president? Oh yeah because he's a class act that will do us more harm than they could ever do.. We have many enemy's most are right here in our own country, they may masquerade there self's as people who want the best thing for us but its all just lies they are out to gain for there self's and there self's alone. I think we should be worrying about our nations enemy's that are here a bit more.

Maybe the Iraqis don't like us in their country. At any rate, I don't think I see a lot of terrorists marching down main street waving "Vote Kerry" signs around. I don't really like Kerry either (Although I must admit that I'm not a huge fan of Bush too), but to say what you just said is simply ignorant.

And Democrats dividing our country? We have a multiple party system, if the nation is divided on issues, it's designed to slow important rulings down. Plus by your logic, by not submitting to ideas that they don't believe in, the Republicans are "dividing" our country just as much as those "stinking democrats" are.

Read your post back to yourself, and repeat it aloud. The values you imply sound like something coming from the Ministry of Truth.

only here could we be talking about a chinese invasion and go into canadian beer... lol ;)

On the political side, There are Republicans going at republicans also. Like the senator who got out of Vietnam due to a medical and told Senator John McCain that he knew nothing of sacrifice. Im not a violent person but after everything John McCain went through as a POW in Vietnam I would like tobe given just 5 minutes alone with that senator that said that. I bet any veteran or current military personnel would also. John McCain was beaten within an inch of his life yet he still stayed in prison because he didnt want to leave his men behind. That says something about a man right there. Plus his story of the man who sewed a piecemeal American flag together and was nearly killed over it just to be thrown back in his cell and start to make a new one. I guess only certain people are still patriotic and forget what George Bush said about "whatever it takes"

Oops now Im off track lol.

warmonger83 wrote: I live about 30 miles out from Cincinnati (which isnt a major civilian target.) However, halfway between me and the city is General Electric's major manufaturing plant for aircraft engines... which if i remember correctly, was one of russia's top 10 strike zones during the cold war. oh yeah... im real safe in the case of a nuclear strike... *ducks and covers under a cardboard box*

dont forget peders powder plant in kings

*tells warmonger to scoot over in box*

Pate wrote: E-98 wrote: nuke em now, end of threat Who cares about nuclear retaliation? I do, who the  wouldnt?? Im about 60 miles outside of NYC, a Nuke hitting there would easily kill me. You might not be worried cause you probably live in hicksville, the place no one cares about.

Personally I dont see anything wrong with hicksville just cuz you havent been to a small town dosent mean nobody cares about it.

Well i have read all  of revalations and it dosent say that China specifically is gonna attack us (it talks about an army with 2,000,000 men though so it has to be them) and they will attack israel not us.  I believe we'll end up getting attacked trying to protect israel.  We will already be at war when we get attacked.

i dont wanna be chineese

i say we nuke the chineese

Jim Paint wrote: warmonger83 wrote: I live about 30 miles out from Cincinnati (which isnt a major civilian target.) However, halfway between me and the city is General Electric's major manufaturing plant for aircraft engines... which if i remember correctly, was one of russia's top 10 strike zones during the cold war. oh yeah... im real safe in the case of a nuclear strike... *ducks and covers under a cardboard box* dont forget peders powder plant in kings *tells warmonger to scoot over in box*

me too!!

it is hard to imagine 5 foot asians trying to take us over .

Tikiman. wrote: yeah but when does God say that will happen in '10?

I heard abbout this too, and the Bible doesn't say we will be invaded, but China's Minister of War did