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    Posted: 20 March 2009 at 5:50pm
My view has always been pro-life, excluding certain circumstances, one of which I encountered yesterday at work.

We had to transport a 49 y/o female with all this from birth;

Severe mental retardation
Severe spastic quadriplegia
Status epileptics (epilepsy / seizures)
Hypertension (high blood pressure)
Diabetes
Asthma
G-tube
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Severe contractures in all 4 extremeties.


The whole time during transport, she would have seizures along with her spasms.


Not an inkling of normal thought, no control over any part of her body, EVER, in 49 years. This is one of those times where I think abortion is a very valid option.


Really, think about it, 49 years of just being there, being nothing more then a money drain, having no life, not knowing happiness, laughter, life, love, food, water, tv, friends, family, pleasure, or even thoughts of your own. You just sit there all day, every day, for 49 years, shaking.



I'm not saying abort kids with retardation or birth defects, but there has to be a limit? Is there not a point where human compassion does include taking a life, and not just keeping it?

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So now you're ok with assisted suicide? Did you not realize that cases like this,and worse, existed when you were bashing the pro-choice folks?
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In b4 splitting hairs.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

So now you're ok with assisted suicide? Did you not realize that cases like this,and worse, existed when you were bashing the pro-choice folks?



And I direct you to my very first sentence in this very post.


But alas, it will turn out just like the police one, where no matter my view, either in-line or against your very own, in your mind, I have to always be wrong.

So be it, but just read the very last sentence, and reflect on that.

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I see an interesting question brought about from this thread.

What should we do in the case of mentally handicapped individuals as concerning legalized assisted suicide?
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

I see an interesting question brought about from this thread. What should we do in the case of mentally handicapped individuals as concerning legalized assisted suicide?


Technically, if assisted suicide were to ever become legal for the masses, the mentally handicapped would not be able to partake in it for that very reason--- mentally handicapped.

In todays laws, mentally retarded people have no say in their health care decisions, even if they are only slightly handicapped, which I wholey agree with because they don't have the mental capacity to decide.



Which brings an even better question;
Should those with POA have the authority to decide?

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wait are you an emt or something
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Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

wait are you an emt or something



Only when I want to be better then someone else on an internet forum.

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oh okay, i would have never guessed.
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Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

oh okay, i would have never guessed.


Yeah, I try not to make it obvious at all, I only post about it in every 3rd topic or so. You know, keep it on the down-low.

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Topic is misleading, you're talking about euthanasia, not abortion. 
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I love mudkipz

ohh and I have always been pro-choice, especially in situations such as that, although that is not abortion, that is assisted suicide, which I am actually against.
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Originally posted by Enmity Enmity wrote:

I love mudkipzohh and I have always been pro-choice, especially in situations such as that, although that is not abortion, that is assisted suicide, which I am actually against.



I don't know how the both of you thought I was speaking of assisted suicide, when I explicitly mention abortion, and abortion only. I know the difference.



And if you must go on the assisted suicide run, I already commented on that as well.

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Being mentally hadicapped doesn't make you any less of a human being.
 
 
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Originally posted by Uncle Rudder Uncle Rudder wrote:

Being mentally hadicapped doesn't make you any less of a human being.
 
 


Wrong.
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Originally posted by Uncle Rudder Uncle Rudder wrote:

Being mentally hadicapped doesn't make you any less of a human being.
 


Can I ask what you think makes us human?
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Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Originally posted by Uncle Rudder Uncle Rudder wrote:

Being mentally hadicapped doesn't make you any less of a human being.
 
 


Wrong.
 
I'd love to hear you say that to a parent a mentally handicaped child. 
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Originally posted by Uncle Rudder Uncle Rudder wrote:

Being mentally hadicapped doesn't make you any less of a human being.


Nobody's arguing that the patient wasn't a human. The problem is that in such cases, the patient's mind is operating on pure life-support mode. It's a level that's below operating on instinct. If such a person does experience senses, he would have no means of making sense of them. Even with a smidgen of consciousness and thought in there, living decades under the conditions Linus described is nothing but torture.
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Originally posted by Uncle Rudder Uncle Rudder wrote:

Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Originally posted by Uncle Rudder Uncle Rudder wrote:

Being mentally hadicapped doesn't make you any less of a human being.
 
 


Wrong.
 
I'd love to hear you say that to a parent a mentally handicaped child. 


I don't care about retarded children OR their parents.
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Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Originally posted by Uncle Rudder Uncle Rudder wrote:

Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

Originally posted by Uncle Rudder Uncle Rudder wrote:

Being mentally hadicapped doesn't make you any less of a human being.
 
 


Wrong.
 
I'd love to hear you say that to a parent a mentally handicaped child. 


I don't care about retarded children OR their parents.
Dude. Your Ginger, doesn't that make you like 43% retarded?
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