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Click "browse" then look threw your files that your paintball marker is pictured in, then press "open" then press "Host it!" then get the URL, and copy and paste. Edited by Panda Man - 16 March 2006 at 11:31pm |
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yeah... i have played big games where i've had my trix (big ol DM3) for an hour and a half... trust me... i'd much rather have my gun up and ready. hence why i don't like all the ops gear crap that adds poud after pound to your gun... i'd much rather keep it to a gun, barrel, tank and hopper. |
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darn i just found out pro/carbines are out of production
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I play 24 hour games without a sling all the time. Its not that difficult. The only use I have ever found for a sling is if you are carrying a large prop around. But most of the time I'm not the one carrying the prop.
Yeah, but think of it this way, those of us with the P/C are now considered old timers... I walked onto the field the other with my pro/carbine and most of the kids were like WTF is that? Edited by Snake6 - 17 March 2006 at 7:23am |
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Simple ergonomics http://www.specialopspaintball.com/articles/self_aiming_pa intgun.asp Edited by Baewolf - 17 March 2006 at 7:33am |
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Find an article from someone other than Spec Ops, and we'll talk.
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Why are they making it all up, sounds pretty logical to me, I don't think guns evolved the way they did for no good reason, besides I think that new players should look at both sides of the fence and decide for themselves. Everytime someone posts a gun on this site and it has a scope or a stock, people jump all over it. I think that people new to paintball should see both sides of the story and decide what works for them. |
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The fact of the matter is this. SpecOps delievers more propaganda than Joseph Goebbels. All of their articles are so laced with marketing propaganda, all thier articles do is try to sell you product, thier articles don't give you very many real facts on anything other than you need this and this and this from us to be a good player. The majority of their items are marketed toward new players who don't know any better, so they will make money off of the new players lack of knowledge. This is teh most despicable marketing technique I have ever seen. I refuse to buy from a company that takes advantage of people that way.
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I haven't bought a single thing from them, but I do know that since I started reading their articles, my woodsball game has inproved ten fold. And that really all that matters to me, so I guess if it stands to help it can't be all that bad |
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Well your one of the few people that were actually helped by their articles. From what I have read from their articles, about the only thing that I have gotten out of it is that I need to buy more of their products in order to be a better player. Also do you realize that they have copyrighted the term Woodsball(TM)? Now you cant even use the term Woodsball(TM), a term that has been around for a hell of alot longer than their company. They have no right to copyright this term, because they didn't create it. This shows their ambition to monopolize the woodsball market. Think, in a few years the only company you might be able to buy your milsim parts from might be them, because they will have forced all all the other companies to either distrubute through them, or og out of buisness.
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i refuse to read any article on a site that tells you hot to be a sniper...
some quotes from the sniper article after skimming a few paragraphs: A military sniper rifle is accurate at over four times the range of a regular battle rifle (a four hundred percent, difference!) holy crap no way, i want to know who their mathematician is! and right here they debunk their whole sniper article and call them what they're supposed to be called: Yet, how many times do powerful, aggressive forces bog down in long, drawn out shooting matches that could've been broken by a stealthy ambusher or flanker? that's what they are... not some super leet paintballer who's using super sniper skills.... |
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Canadian Military Snipers use 50 caliber rifles and are effect to a range of 2km, maybe you should do the math. How far away an object do you think you could hit something with a real gun. I have fired rifles and hand guns my whole life, and have seen things done with them that you probably couldn't even imagine. http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/50calibre/50sniping.htm Websters definition of a sniper (I guess you are rewriting the dictionary now too)
a marksman who shoots at people from a concealed place Sniper= A "marksman" shooting at someone from a concealed place Hmmmmmmm sounds completly in line with what they say on the ops site. Their articles teach you how to think and creep up and flank, or how to conseal yourself and fire using it to your advantage. Funny thing is you can have the best speed ball gun in the world, If some guy is hiding and you don't see him shoots you in the face, the gun won't help you any. There is "snipers" in paintball, scopes are effective and work well is setup correctly, stocks help a person quickly aim and fire accuratly without the need of years of experience or having to walk your paintballs into someone, who if smart enough will just put their head down before getting hit Edited by Baewolf - 17 March 2006 at 11:32am |
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.50 Caliber rifles have a range of 2 Kilometers not three miles. Do some research.
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What you have described is NOT sniping. It is setting up an effective ambush. There are several Forumers with REAL miltary Sniper experiance, who will tell you straight up that it is physically impossible to be a Sniper in Paintball(oldsoldier). This post was written by SR_Crewchief A respected forumer, and Ex-Army.
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I think I am going to have to put up some posts in the the new
player forum when I get the time. Info on scopes, stocks, snipers in
paintball, flatlines, etc....
You guys just totally have it out for these things, I think it will help new players to see both sides of things and they won't feel so walked on everytime they post a picture of a gun with a scope on it or a stock or dare be stupid enough to call thier gun a "sniper gun". This forum seems pretty dominated with these opinions, but I think nothing is absolute and they deserve to not feel so jumped on, besides since I started looking into all this I now shoot more people them ever, and "most" of the people I shoot walk out of the woods not even knowing who shot them or where it came from. Sounds like a sniper to me Sniper a marksman who shoots at people from a concealed place |
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can you guys just drop the whole sniper issue.
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The moment you post a post abotu snipers in the New Player Forum, It will be considered trolling and immediatly locked. Just a warning. Examine my article on The History of Miltary Sniping. I suggest you take a long look at the artibutes of a Sniper. Also I suggest you look at the Anology. The History of Military Sniping, and how it relates to the Game of Paintball. Ok. So I got bored, and I am sick and tried of this stupid sniper debate. I got a Barnes and Noble gift card for Christmas, and didn’t know what else to get so I picked up several books on Military Snipers. Here are my findings. < -- Note: Due to a problem with my code, you have to Highlight my rifle comparison tables to see them. It’s a bother, but if someone knows how to fix it, PM me. -- > First lets go over the basics of what a sniper is, and what a sniper is not. “A sniper…is considered a specialist, whose prime function is to kill selected high value targets at long range using superior skill and armament. A sharpshooter, by contrast, is a rifleman (proficient or otherwise) who acts in an opportunist manner, taking shots at the enemy when the chance arises” From SNIPER by Adrian Gilbert Keep this in your mind as you read the rest of the article. The American Revolution (1775-83) Sniping first came onto the battlefield during the American Revolution. Standard infantry of this period were equipped with “Brown Bess” smoothbore muskets. The Continental Congress approves 10 independent companies, armed with long rifles. The men of these companies were the first snipers. Comparison between the “Brown Bess” musket, and the Long Rifle. “A soldiers musket, if not exceedingly ill bored (as many are), will strike the figure of a man at 80 yards: it may even at 100, but a soldier must be very unfortunate indeed who shall be wounded by a common musket at 150 yards, provided that the antagonist aims at him; as to firing at a man at 200 yards, with a common, musket, you might as well fire at the moon.” –British Major Hanger, on the “Brown Bess” musket In contrast, the American Long Rifle (as carried by the Irregular
companies), was effective in ranges up to 300 yards, and headshots could be
achieved at 200. At these ranges American Snipers picked-off high ranking
British Officers. During the battle of
As you can see from the table, the Rifle outranged the common muskets of the time by over 200 yards. The War of Northern Aggression (American Civil War) (1861-65) During the Civil War, the standard infantry rifles were the Confederate Snipers were selected in a manner which has been used to select snipers in most present wars. The best men from each infantry regiment entered into shooting competitions. They were required to hit man-sized boards at 500 yards. The best shooters were given the prized Kerr and Witworth rifles. They then went through extensive training in the use of these rifles. The snipers were warned never to get within 400 yards of the enemy, but to use their superior range, to keep the enemy at a safe distance.
World War I (1914-18) US Snipers during World War I used modified, and accurized versions of
the standard service rifle the World War II (1938-45) World War II snipers were selected in different manners during the war. I will concentrate on the Marine Corps Snipers trained at Green’s Farm because the documentation of this school and its snipers is the best. There, snipers were instructed in 5 week courses in marksmanship, camouflage, and field craft. They were trained to approach a target using stealth and to eliminate the target from long distances. These snipers were required to hit a moving target at 500 yards, and to hit a stationary target at 1000. They were equipped much the same way as snipers in WWI were. These snipers used accurized versions of the M1903 Springfield service rifle, the A1 or A3 variants equipped with 2 or 4 power scopes. Marine Infantry qualified at 500 yards.
Now through all these wars several things have remained in common among snipers, lets analyze these facts: A sniper acts independently from standard infantry, not as a part of a
unit but in a one or two man team. This is possible in paintball, most of the time in scenario games, I am alone behind enemy lines trying to accomplish a mission. But you do very little if any tactical good for your team waiting in one spot for an entire game, hoping a target of high-value (such as the opposing general) walks by. A sniper does not act at random, he selects targets of high value and
eliminates them. Targets of High Value in a military sense are:
Targets of High Value in Paintball:
The problem with selecting high value targets in a scenario paintball game is, there are very few. The vast majority of players play independently, not under any command and they do what they want. What officers and team captains there are do not look any different than any other players. The Sniper fires at targets from
beyond the range of return fire by the standard infantry weapons, or from
distances that were beyond the training of the normal infantryman. As you can see from the diagrams of the Sniper Rifles of the Period in comparison to the standard issue infantry weapons, the sniper rifle always has a great deal more range than infantry weapons, and the sniper has been trained to an accuracy standard that is beyond that of standard infantry training. This is where sniping in paintball fails. All paintball markers except those equipped with the Flatline or Apex systems fire the same distance, around 25 yards or 75 feet. The Flatline will reach ranges of up to 150 ft, but because the ball loses velocity at the same rate as a normal paintball, the chances of getting a break, or a single accurate shot at those ranges are close to zero. The sniper uses a single accurate shot to take his targets down. The ammunition expended to kill ratio of a sniper in It is possible to take targets down with a single shot in paintball. However it is near impossible to eliminate a target with a single shot from beyond the effective range of return fire by the enemy. A sniper uses camouflage and
concealment to hide himself from his enemies to eliminate his targets. No qualms with this, it can be done. Most every scenario paintball player does it. Using camouflage doe not make you sniper. Now as you can see there are several places where sniping fails in paintball. Now look at the definition of a Sharpshooter: “A sharpshooter… is a rifleman (proficient or otherwise) who acts in an opportunist manner, taking shots at the enemy when the chance arises” From SNIPER by Adrian Gilbert Ok, this looks a little more feasible in the game of paintball than the sniper definition doesn’t it? For paintball purposes we can strike rifleman, because there are no rifles in paintball. “who acts in an opportunist manner, taking shots at the enemy when the chance arises” This sounds feasible. The definition of a sniper that Spec Ops puts forth is one of an “ambush player” that fires from concealment, using camouflage. The problem with the Spec Ops definition of a sniper is that it perfectly describes the definition of a sharpshooter in a military sense. So we will set forth the definition of a Sharpshooter in paintball. This is what most of you would call a Sniper in paintball. A sharpshooter takes shots from concealment, shoots at targets as the opportunity arises, and uses a marker that has the same range as everyone else’s. This is not a Sniper. This is a sharpshooter. You will never be a sniper in paintball simple ballistics prevent this from ever happening. The fact of the matter is if you think you are a sniper in paintball, your terminology is wrong. The definition of a sharpshooter, fits paintball a lot closer that the definition of a sniper. But for those of you who insist that you are still snipers, look at an analogy: You work for a living. Your job is to go to people’s houses and businesses, to pick up their trash and take it to the dump. You drive a Garbage Truck. What would you be called, a Garbage Man, or a Professional Truck Driver? You would be called a Garbage Man, would you not? As much as you would prefer to be called a Professional Truck Driver, everyone would call you a Garbage Man because it fits what you are doing better than the title Professional Truck Driver does. The definition
of Sharpshooter, or a Designated Marksman fits what you are doing in paintball
a whole lot better than Sniper does. Stop fooling yourself. References: SNIPER- Adrian
Gilbert One Shot-One
Kill- Charles W. Sasser and Craig Roberts Marine Sniper-
Charles Henderson Authors Note:
In my haste of writing this, I may have gotten some minor facts mixed up, or in
the wrong place. Please contact me with the correct info if you have something
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well it's good to know that when i'm playing speedball and take the snake and shoot some one who's not looking at me and i stay concealed that i'm a sniper...
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"The moment you post a post abotu snipers in the New Player Forum, It will be considered trolling and immediatly locked. Just a warning." ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Well that about says it all, if your opinion is different them ours we will lock your post, so by trolling I guess you mean sharing an opinion (which I thought forums were for) that differs from the going absolutism. Well I guess you will be doing allot of post locking because, I am not on here cursing or causing problems just expressing an opinion and sharing information, and I will be continuing to do both, end of discussion Oh and as for the article I have seen it before, and yes it is one side of an opinion I will be posting many to the contrary, but nice article though Edited by Baewolf - 17 March 2006 at 12:29pm |
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