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Does a Remote Line Act as a X Chamber?

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    Posted: 25 August 2004 at 8:50am

Can or Does a remote line act as well or similar to an expansion chamber?



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Yes, it does.

That is one of the main reasons that I favor running a remote line.

With the tank vertically mounted in a harness and a remote, no Co2 should ever get into your marker.

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Originally posted by hwayhzrd hwayhzrd wrote:

Yes, it does.

That is one of the main reasons that I favor running a remote line.

With the tank vertically mounted in a harness and a remote, no Co2 should ever get into your marker.

 

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yeah... getting co2 in your marker is bad... you mite accidently shoot a paintball out of your paintball gun...we wouldnt want that to happen, especially at a paintball field...
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i think he means like the choppy ice crapp. and when ur gun starts to get all moist from co2. man i hated c02 when i played woodsball in the winter i dunno what im talking about i havent used c02 forever lol.. u should just get a N2 tank. no problems there.
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Your don't want CO2 in your gun (the LIQUID) ... only the pressurized by-product.

Liquid CO2 will freeze your internals and damage your o-rings.

Sorry if I went over anyones' heads here.

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hway when did you get back or are you at a coffe shop?


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aye, calm down now, i was just teasing!
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Originally posted by hwayhzrd hwayhzrd wrote:

Your don't want CO2 in your gun (the LIQUID) ... only the pressurized by-product.

Liquid CO2 will freeze your internals and damage your o-rings.

Sorry if I went over anyones' heads here.

Should I spell everything fo-net-ick-lee next time too?

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Originally posted by ekeboo ekeboo wrote:

hway when did you get back or are you at a coffe shop?

For the time being, I get to the house for a couple of hours every day, but that will be changing soon.

What can I say, I missed you guys!

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Hway it's not actually a by-product of the liquid CO2, it's the evaporation of the CO2 that's desired. CO2 is stored efficiently as a liquid, and in order to make a gas at room temperature stay liquid is to slow down the molecules by making them as cold as possible. An expansion chamber works by giving more room for the gas to expand, making the liquid fall to the bottom by gravity, and when used as a grip it makes sure there's enough heat to speed up the molecules to make them become a gas again. A remote line gives plenty of room for expansion, and also heats the liquid by absrobing heat (black color) and holding warm air (coils), thus doing the job of an expansion chamber. When the tank is kept vertical (and upright), the gas in the tank rises and the liquid stays to the bottom, and the gas is pulled through the valve instead of liquid.

Also, there's no icy "crap" in the CO2- the surrounding air contains water vapor, and the extremem coldness of the gas CO2 is enough to slow down those water molecules in the air to condense into water, and can even be enough to freeze the condensed water.

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While I understand what you are saying, I fail to see the distinction.

Results are the same ... liquid in the gun = BAD ... by-product/evaporation/whatever so long as it produces enough pressure to work a marker = GOOD.

The bottom line?

A remote line STILL works like an expansion chamber and the rest is just nit-picking and word games.

What is this, the Presidential campaign??

What do we have to pass posts through an editorial staff nowadays to get the bloody point across?

Perhaps I should look up the scientific equation to post along with any answers next time ...

Here you go, as posted on www.docsmachine.com:

How it works:
The liquid is many, many times denser than vapor. As I recall, the expansion ratio of CO2 is something like 3000%. In other words, a given volume of liquid, for example one cubic inch, will expand into 3,000 cubic inches of gas/vapor. What this means is, there is an enormous amount of potential energy, or “stored” energy in liquid CO2, much more so than in already-vaporized CO2. The more you expand the gas, the less energy it has per given volume. This is why some people refer to “over-expanding” CO2; doing so simply robs it of useful potential energy.

So, let’s cram that full-power, high-octane Liquid into the valve. When the gun is fired, the valve is opened momentarily, which allows the pressure to drop way, way down. Since the liquid cannot remain a liquid without the pressure, it “flashes” to a gas almost instantly. The valve only lets out a tiny amount of liquid, but because of the tremendous expansion ratio, it quickly becomes much more gas than the valve could have let through. Because of this, there is more than enough energy, in the form of expanding gas, to operate the Paintgun. And, since the expansion to gas does not take place in the tank, the cooling action is greatly reduced, and transferred to the valve, where it has little effect. As long as there is sufficient pressure in the tank to force the liquid up the siphon tube, and there is still liquid available, the marker will keep running, usually with no drop in velocity.
Converting to Liquid:
The conversion is as easy as installing a siphon tube to an existing tank, or buying a premade siphon tank. A “Siphon” tube, also spelled “syphon”, is merely a flexible, weighted ‘dip tube’, like a straw, connected to the pin valve, inside the tank. The weight on the bottom end of the tube keeps it immersed in the liquid no matter what position the tank is in. (Except inverted, or upside down.) Fill it like usual, slap it on like any normal CO2 tank, and go play. Whoops, no, sorry, it’s not quite that easy.... Since you need to keep the CO2 as a liquid, you need to minimize the excess space that could cause the liquid to expand.
So here’s a quick list of guidelines for running Liquid:

#1: Remove any expansion chamber you may be using. Since an E-chamber is intended to reduce the amount of liquid passing through, one should not be used.

#2: No remotes. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to get liquid all the way from the tank, through the remote line, and into the valve consistently. Even with a very small-inside-diameter remote, like the old “Slinky” type, you end up getting several shots of liquid, then a bunch of gas, than a few shots of liquid again. Needless to say, this leads to terribly inconsistent velocities. Liquid CO2 must be run on-gun.

#3: If you use a bottomline, minimize the amount of tubing, hoses or connections between the tank and the ‘gun’s valve. A good suggestion is to switch to a “Micro Line” type hose, since the internal diameter is very small. Don’t worry, it will still flow plenty of liquid. Try to leave off things like filters, quick-disconnects, and long coiled-up hoses.

#4: No regulators or check-valves. If liquid passes through either of these, and you stop shooting long enough to let it expand, even slightly, the internal pressure can and will shoot WAY up, causing all sorts of problems, and a very dangerous situation.

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Originally posted by LordJovian LordJovian wrote:

Hway it's not actually a by-product of the liquid CO2,


I wasn't paying attention, and I'm not entirely awake. So the first time I read that, I thought it said "hway is not actually a bi-product of the liquid c02..."

I need more sleep, I know.
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^ umm I thought the same thing earlier.. lol
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