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mutt98 
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 Topic: Deer huntingPosted: 14 November 2004 at 8:30am |
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a lot of it is a tradition though. a lot of us are skipping school. even them little wee babies not ever 10 years old.
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i was at a barbeque the other day and there was this chick. her hair was on fire. but she was all about herself. you know the type.
"help ME! put ME out!" |
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MROD
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Posted: 14 November 2004 at 7:17am |
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I realy am against it if you do it for the sport. I used to have a family of deer that would come into my yard every moring and hange around for hours. I would just sit and watch them some times. Then one day theu stopped showing up. Immediately I thought of my sisters friends dad, who is a hunter for food. I got kind of angry at him for a while, but at least he didn't let them go to waste and they benefitted his family. Hunting shouldn't be a sport. Killing living things should not be fun.
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NeoRome
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Posted: 13 November 2004 at 11:51pm |
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very nice gogged. i totaly agree. hunting is mainly a sport anymore. look on TV, all the hunting shows, they arent going out and shooting just any animal, they are getting the biggest and best they can find. the meat on the dear is rather great, if you get a chance to eat some, pig out. i love it personally. i have been hunting for quite awhile and i hunt with my friends almost every weekend, althought not always for deer. as for "over population" i think thats really stupid. if its ok to kill if a species is over populated, then why doesnt China do that? its over populated. look at New York, or India, or Africa...most of the Earth is over populated, but we dont kill off eachother to balance it out. just throwing that out there.
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how can you die when you cant be seen?
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Posted: 13 November 2004 at 11:36pm |
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OK, i hunt for sport, i like it, its fun. as morbid as this may sound to some of you, i go out and shoot a deer for fun, i dont have to worry about food on the table, i have the grocery store for that. its like a game, you go out, find a big deer, shoot it, bring it home clean it, and brag about the antlers, over a nice pot of venison stew, and a couple sticks of venison jerkey. and if your lucky you might gain a spot on the camp wall.its a small competition between famly, and friends to see who can get the biggest buck(BUT THE MEAT DOSNT GO TO WASTE, ITS A BOUNS) but its not the primary reason for hunting anymore(for most people). to me hunting season is like a holiday, all the famliy comes together for 2 weeks out of the year, hangs out, has fun,and enjoys friends, family, and the outdoors.
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Dayton
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Posted: 13 November 2004 at 8:26pm |
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You eat what you kill, you just dont shoot an animal for sport
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Posted: 13 November 2004 at 8:04pm |
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THANK YOU! SOMEONE GETS WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY!!! |
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Posted: 13 November 2004 at 8:00pm |
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As long as you eat it or it gets put to use if you only want the antlers/head give the meat away you personally dont have to eat it but dont let it go to waste
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Posted: 13 November 2004 at 7:57pm |
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well while i always eat what i kill i dont see anything wrong with not eating it. after all hunters (even the ones who dont eat the deer) still help population control and while all the so-called conservationists parade around and give speeches (therefore wasting oxygen), deer hunters are the original conservationists. they have to be careful about the way they treat nature or they wont be able to hunt in the future. |
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Posted: 09 November 2004 at 1:26pm |
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Good point Reb Cpl. That clearly shows the moral values of hunters as a lot who genuinely are concerned for the animals. (Not being sarcastic, I know most hunters really do care about the welfare of animals). As to You meat eater.
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Posted: 09 November 2004 at 12:09pm |
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even if you dont eat it then you should at least (and this is just logical) sell it to somebody or the place where you hav it cleaned and they can sell the meat or give it to the poor or ne thing along those lines |
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Posted: 09 November 2004 at 10:27am |
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My bad - I've never seen it spelled, so I made up a spelling... :) |
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Posted: 09 November 2004 at 10:26am |
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Gah - who knew hunters were such a prickly lot. Believe it or not, I know a lot about hunting and hunters. I have spent most of my life in places where the town shuts down for deer gun season, and then again for deer bow season. Yes, I made a few generalizations for the convenience of argument, but none of which were injurious (I thought) to a hunter with a sense of humor. No, most hunters I know don't take beer into the stand (but some do), but most hunters I know do have plenty of beer at the lodge at the end of the day. I have had this same discussion with dozens of hunters over the years, and nobody has been offended yet - until now. As I said earlier, I have had abortion debates - and I'll throw in political and religious debates as well - with fewer people getting offended than in this thread. Lighten up already, people. Jeez. |
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Posted: 09 November 2004 at 9:07am |
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That'd be the shortest discusssion ever.
There is another reason to hunt. Sporting and food reasons aside, there's another more practical reason. In my area, as well as many areas across the state of NY, and probably elsewhere in the US, the deer population has exploded to the point where it's out of control. They're being hit be cars, and worse yet, are endanger of starvation in their areas because there's so many of them that the competition for food gets out of hand. Alot of hunting is ecologically based, as well as being motivated by sport. I don't hunt because I need to put food on the table. I hunt because it's alot of fun. It's a hobby, and I enjoy it. I also hunt because I know the the regulations that are placed on me when I hunt are imposed for the protection of the species. You know, like needing a doe permit, and having a max you can put on the tags....They're in place so that if I DO take a deer, it fits with the ecological well being of the deer herd in general. Would you rather that hunters take out a handful of deer from an area and protect the rest....or would you rather that an entire deer population suffer through the winter starving?
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Posted: 09 November 2004 at 12:37am |
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Who said anything about alcohol? And what kind of sportman would mix alcohol with any guns period? |
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Posted: 09 November 2004 at 12:32am |
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Clark Kent, you make yourself look really dumb with your stereotypes
towards hunters. You seem to think that all of them just "go out,
with
a 6 pack of beer, sit and wait for a deer to come, ready to waste them
with $1000 guns", and it's far from
that. For one thing, most sportsmans I know don't mix alcohol
with any
kind of guns. So far from your generalization, any hunter I know
is
way far from that, they hunt for part food, part sport. It saves
someone a lot of money to hunt, maybe $300 total the first year of
hunting is spent on equipment, which
can be expensive, and may have no financial benefits, but the years
following that save you a lot of money with only $20 for a license,
which can get you any kind of deer you're willing to go out and shoot,
which can be around 150 pounds of meat, which is enough to last someone
for a long time. Seriously, there is so much stereotypes to
correct within all of your arguements, it's just not even funny, I'm
not even going to bother with this, just hear this, stop with the
stereotypes of hunters, and stop pulling facts out of your ass.
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Posted: 08 November 2004 at 10:35pm |
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Wow, you completely missed my point & changed the subject. You asked, "how does eating my kill change the moral value of hunting". A hunter who wastes an animal by leaving it to rot in the field is generally a “bad sign” (lack of morals) as for some reason these people have not been able to make this empathetic connection.
Let’s look at the two hunters;
One who sport hunts but has no regard for a once living animal by letting it rot in the woods?
Second hunter who sport hunts but does have regard for a once living animal by making sure it is not wasted.
Could one call regard for a once living animal "empathy". Is empathy/compassion a pillar of morals?
On a side note I ask again, "Have you ever observed from start to finish animals being butchered in a meat packing plant?" Or like most of us do you let Burger King do it for you out of sight out of mind?
For the record, I am not a vegetarian, although after my visit to a pig packing plant, I had a hard time eating meat for a week or two. Edited by new002 |
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Posted: 08 November 2004 at 9:49pm |
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Yup. PETA has entered the building officially.
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Clark Kent
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Posted: 08 November 2004 at 9:37pm |
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You wish to debate the merits of vegitarianism, new?
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Posted: 08 November 2004 at 9:12pm |
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Clark living in up state ny for a year i can tell you most of the hunters up there hunt with the main goal of putting meat in the fridge OR they hunt to protect their land and live stock (alot of farmers) i know of a few people that dont ever buy meat because they eather hunt or get road kill (work for the state and when a deer gets killed they take the fresh kill to a friends to be butchered) yes you can go buy deer meat or duck meat at the store but its costly...20 cents for a bullet 1$+ per pound...just because they enjoy it does not mean they dont hunt for food...
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Posted: 08 November 2004 at 9:04pm |
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How does it matter whether you eat the deer or not? So, my point - if I hunt for fun (which all American hunters do), how does eating my kill change the moral value of hunting? Bah - I can buy venison in my grocery store. During hunting season, everybody is giving me venison (I also love venison).
Besides, your love for venison is also morally irrelevant. At best, you are then killing for flavor instead of for fun. That is completely different than killing to feed yourself. I thought I would bring all these points together in a food for thought response. ;) --First; A vegetarian would say, “That just because you don't gun down your own food, doesn't mean you are not responsible for killing it.” Most of us who get Burger King to do our dirty work generally don't see the connection of loss of life (Cow, pig, deer) as related to our cheese burgers. --Second; eating what you have killed brings forth a realization (That reading about it can not achieve) that a breathing living animal has been killed in a very personal way, directly by your own hands as opposed to proxy when you order McDonalds. A hunter who wastes an animal by leaving it to rot in the field are generally a “bad sign” as for some reason these people have not been able to make this empathetic connection. The reason I hope you don't have this connection, is because you have never killed what you have eaten. If you are serious about this debate CK, I suggest you go to a meat packing plant were animals are butchered from start to finish. Go to a pig packing plant and observer all the steps from beginning to end; it will likely change your perspective on that cheese burger. You might even become a vegetarian for a week or two. Once you do, then post your thoughts. |
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