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    Posted: 09 March 2006 at 3:51pm
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December 27, 2004
Quoted from specialopspaintball.com

Not long after the invention of the direct-feed paintball gun, players
began to tinker with the idea of making their paintguns quieter. Paintball
silencers have been around almost as long as hoppers.

In the mid-1980s, Sheridan released a paintball long gun that just
begged to be turned into a "sniper" rifle. Almost every Sheridan rifle you
saw carried a homemade silencer on the end of its barrel. All paintguns,
in those days, were pumps. Pumps, unlike semi-auto paintball guns,
don't have as much machine noise with each shot and this makes a
silenced paintball gun especially quiet. As we were fond of saying in those
days, paintball silencers sounded "like a gopher farting."

Commercial paintball silencers flooded the market, though they weren't a
whole lot better than the homemade ones. They began appearing in
magazine photos and on store shelves. Basically, a paintball silencer was
a large tubular chamber that slid over the end of the paintball gun's
barrel. The inside of the chamber was usually a porous material that
allowed the paintball gun's gas to dissipate into the chamber before
"popping" into the environment. Inside the silencer's chamber,
manufacturers usually packed loose material such as insulation or brillo
pads to further help deaden the sound.

Most of the "pop" that a paintball gun makes is the result of the paintball
leaving the barrel with a burst of gas with sound behind it. The paintball
silencer creates an intermediate airspace that traps much of the gas and
sound while leaving the paintball to exit the barrel untouched.

But the glory days of paintball silencers were numbered. Firearm silencers
are a controlled device under federal law. The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) regulates the ownership and manufacture of
a number of firearm devices including machine guns and sound
suppressors (otherwise known as "silencers.") In the early 1990s, the ATF
ran tests and decided that paintball silencers could be used to quiet a
true firearm and they notified all manufacturers of paintball silencers that
they were in violation of federal law. The reach of big brother was fast
and final. All paintball silencers disappeared from the market.

Currently, the best option for a paintball sniper is to buy the quietest
barrel possible and marry it to the quietest paintgun possible. The
carbon-fiber barrels manufactured by Stiffi are just about the quietest
thing out there. Attached to a DM4, they make a combo that's no louder
than the silenced pumps of the old days before the ATF came a knocking.

To own a paintball gun silencer legally, you must live in one of the states
that allow private ownership of sound suppressors. If so, you can
purchase a silencer (paintball or firearm,) from a licensed firearms dealer
(if such a thing were actually manufactured.) Then, you would have to get
the signature of your local law enforcement officer on a form that
requires a two-hundred dollar tax stamp. After waiting between two and
six months, if you're not a felon, the transfer of your paintball silencer
would come through and you could go back to your dealer and pick it up.

Since the whole system is really hard, really expensive and takes a really
long time, legal paintball silencers are almost never seen.

As a side note, Special Ops Paintball is a Class II Firearms manufacturer
and dealer so, if you want a paintball silencer bad enough, we can make
you one and have it transferred to you. Again, it'll cost you an extra $200
on top of the cost of the suppressor and you'll have to wait a few months
for the transfer, but it's possible.

Otherwise, you're left using one of the many "fake" paintball silencers
(which don't work to deaden sound), or you can make your own and be
illegal. If you buy a "fake" paintball silencer and it DOES actually dampen
the sound of your paintball gun, it's probably illegal, both for the
manufacturer and for you. Every year, a few paintball tinkerers come out
with illegal paintball silencers and the ATF shuts them down. Even if the
manufacturer claims their paintball silencer is "legal" that doesn't mean
it's true. Ask to see their letter from the ATF approving their design.
Often, they'll just blow the question off. To our knowledge, the ATF hasn't
approved of any paintball silencer designs as of this writing. If you
possess an illegal silencer, and you're caught with it by your local law
enforcement, it probably won't matter that the manufacturer led you to
believe it was legal. You'll still be in a lot of trouble.

And, the same goes for homemade paintball silencers. If you possess a
silencer or even silencer parts, you are probably committing a federal
felony. This is a very, very big punishment for something that shouldn't
be a crime at all.

We have never heard of someone being prosecuted for owning an illegal
paintball silencer, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Many take
the chance, but it's probably not worth it (unless you're a Class II
manufacturer and the you can own all the paintball silencers you want.
Sweeeet!)

The bummer is that paintball silencers work great and they make the
game much more fun. With a good paintball silencer, a sniper can take
close shots and still not give away his position. Silencers are long and a
little awkward, but they give great advantage to that long-ball, one-shot
sniper.

Hopefully, someday soon, someone will figure it out with the ATF so that
paintball fields will once again resonate with the brrrp! of gophers
<breaking wind>.


Edited by nauzerlvr - 09 March 2006 at 3:51pm
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silencers are not illegal.  They are controlled.  It is illegal to own one without the proper liscenses and taxes.

 

 

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Oh god it said sniper....
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Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

Oh god it said sniper....
uhoh thats almost as bad as being white and saying a racial slur at the Apallo theater.
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i never knew that paintball silencers were illegal. i about made one.
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In some states they are illegal, regardless of whether or not you have the tax stamp.

In case anyone wants to know why silencers were made illegal in the first place, it has nothing to do with mobsters or assasins. Firearms silencers were made illegal because poachers used them on their guns to hunt out of season, which made it almost impossible for game wardens to catch them.

Strangely enough, there are places in Europe (yes, people in Europe still hunt) where hunters are required to use silencers so the noise of their gunshots doesn't disturb the surrounding wildlife and nearby neighborhoods.
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Originally posted by TRAVELER TRAVELER wrote:

In some states they are illegal, regardless of whether or not you have the tax stamp.

In case anyone wants to know why silencers were made illegal in the first place, it has nothing to do with mobsters or assasins. Firearms silencers were made illegal because poachers used them on their guns to hunt out of season, which made it almost impossible for game wardens to catch them.

Strangely enough, there are places in Europe (yes, people in Europe still hunt) where hunters are required to use silencers so the noise of their gunshots doesn't disturb the surrounding wildlife and nearby neighborhoods.


The one I made is made from mostly PVC pipe, if you shot a real gun through that it would more then likely blow up in your face.
 
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just buy an AA (or any ported barrel) and wrap egg crate around it...
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I'm porting my stock a-5 barrel with tonnes of holes to see if it will make it quieter... I hope it still fires afterwards lol, but if not, i'm sawing off everything but 3 inches and using it as a tiny barrel :)

Too bad, i was going to try and make a silencer if i wasn't so sure of this legal stuff for Canada, so better safe than sorry.
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Originally posted by RavenGuard RavenGuard wrote:

I'm porting my stock a-5 barrel with tonnes of holes to see if it will make it quieter... I hope it still fires afterwards lol, but if not, i'm sawing off everything but 3 inches and using it as a tiny barrel :)

Too bad, i was going to try and make a silencer if i wasn't so sure of this legal stuff for Canada, so better safe than sorry.


First off that is not what silences your gun, drilling holes all the way through it will make it louder, not to mention ruin the barrel and cause paintball breaks. And yes silencers are legal in Canada for paintball guns. Look man the plans are out there is not PM me and I will hook you up, but for god sakes don't ruin your barrel for no good reason thats not how it works
 
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Originally posted by Baewolf Baewolf wrote:

Originally posted by RavenGuard RavenGuard wrote:

I'm porting my stock a-5 barrel with tonnes of holes to see if it will make it quieter... I hope it still fires afterwards lol, but if not, i'm sawing off everything but 3 inches and using it as a tiny barrel :)

Too bad, i was going to try and make a silencer if i wasn't so sure of this legal stuff for Canada, so better safe than sorry.


First off that is not what silences your gun, drilling holes all the way through it will make it louder, not to mention ruin the barrel and cause paintball breaks. And yes silencers are legal in Canada for paintball guns. Look man the plans are out there is not PM me and I will hook you up, but for god sakes don't ruin your barrel for no good reason thats not how it works 

Actually, correct porting, essentially micro porting of the barrel beyond about 8 to 10 inches from the breech, works. A series of holes 1/16" and smaller properly spaced with progressive density will dissipate the barrel pressure report by reducing the large wave front out the end of the barrel. The longer the section of micro-ported barrel, the lower the report when the ball exits the end. The volume of the noise is essentially choked through the small holes.

But, it is not likely that an individual can drill micro ports in their barrel  without causing burrs, sharp edges and projections into the interior of the barrel.



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Originally posted by Bruce A. Frank Bruce A. Frank wrote:

Originally posted by Baewolf Baewolf wrote:

Originally posted by RavenGuard RavenGuard wrote:

I'm porting my stock a-5 barrel with tonnes of holes to see if it will make it quieter... I hope it still fires afterwards lol, but if not, i'm sawing off everything but 3 inches and using it as a tiny barrel :)

Too bad, i was going to try and make a silencer if i wasn't so sure of this legal stuff for Canada, so better safe than sorry.


First off that is not what silences your gun, drilling holes all the way through it will make it louder, not to mention ruin the barrel and cause paintball breaks. And yes silencers are legal in Canada for paintball guns. Look man the plans are out there is not PM me and I will hook you up, but for god sakes don't ruin your barrel for no good reason thats not how it works 

Actually, correct porting, essentially micro porting of the barrel beyond about 8 to 10 inches from the breech, works. A series of holes 1/16" and smaller properly spaced with progressive density will dissipate the barrel pressure report by reducing the large wave front out the end of the barrel. The longer the section of micro-ported barrel, the lower the report when the ball exits the end. The volume of the noise is essentially choked through the small holes.

But, it is not likely that an individual can drill micro ports in their barrel  without causing burrs, sharp edges and projections into the interior of the barrel.



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Originally posted by Wubadoo Wubadoo wrote:

Originally posted by Bruce A. Frank Bruce A. Frank wrote:

Originally posted by Baewolf Baewolf wrote:

Originally posted by RavenGuard RavenGuard wrote:

I'm porting my stock a-5 barrel with tonnes of holes to see if it will make it quieter... I hope it still fires afterwards lol, but if not, i'm sawing off everything but 3 inches and using it as a tiny barrel :)

Too bad, i was going to try and make a silencer if i wasn't so sure of this legal stuff for Canada, so better safe than sorry.


First off that is not what silences your gun, drilling holes all the way through it will make it louder, not to mention ruin the barrel and cause paintball breaks. And yes silencers are legal in Canada for paintball guns. Look man the plans are out there is not PM me and I will hook you up, but for god sakes don't ruin your barrel for no good reason thats not how it works 

Actually, correct porting, essentially micro porting of the barrel beyond about 8 to 10 inches from the breech, works. A series of holes 1/16" and smaller properly spaced with progressive density will dissipate the barrel pressure report by reducing the large wave front out the end of the barrel. The longer the section of micro-ported barrel, the lower the report when the ball exits the end. The volume of the noise is essentially choked through the small holes.

But, it is not likely that an individual can drill micro ports in their barrel  without causing burrs, sharp edges and projections into the interior of the barrel.



exactly


You may be right, but I am guessing there you are more likely to ruin your barrel doing this. All I really meant by it was that he lives in Canada and there is an easier non drill holes in your barrel method
 

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It'd be interesting if somebody could make a truely ATF approved paintball silencer that could not be used on an actual firearm.

What's the deal with airsoft silencers? You could more than likely fire a .22 through one and have it be quieted. I'm surprized the ATF isn't all over that. Also, the ATF considers a pillow or even a soda bottle and tape to be a silencer if used as one. Soda bottles work great for a few shots on small caliber guns.

As for hunting with silencers in europe and microporting, lately US waterfowl hunters have been using microported barrel extensions about four feet long and subsonic ammo to quite their shotguns and not disturb people while duck and goose hunting. I guess it's pretty common along urbanized waterways like the Chesapeak Bay region.

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Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

lately US waterfowl hunters have been using microported barrel extensions about four feet long and subsonic ammo to quite their shotguns and not disturb people while duck and goose hunting. I guess it's pretty common along urbanized waterways like the Chesapeak Bay region.

Thats interesting. I duck and goose hunt all the time on the chesapeake and have never seen a 4 ft barrel extension. If I did see one I would laugh my butt off.

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Way old.

Special ops wasnt the first to write an article about why their illegal. There have been articles up for years on this topic.
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So, there are also much better written ones and anybody with half a brain cell could find it.


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silencers or supressors are illegal in canada

Prohibited devices include:

  • devices designed to muffle or stop the sound of a firearm, like silencers;

Taken off a government website

    http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cp/rc4227/rc4227-e.html#P33 7_18985

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