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Bruce A. Frank
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Topic: Flatline Setup and ShootingPosted: 10 March 2006 at 1:31am |
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This was posted in New Player Forum by Beawolf under the subject
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Snake6
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Posted: 10 March 2006 at 8:04am |
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Overall, it is a good article. However I believe that the accuracy tests seem a little skewed. It is quite possible that these tests were conducted indoors where there is no wind, under ideal range conditions but none of the flatlines I have ever bench-tested outdoors have had groups like that.
On every flatline I have every tested (all correctly installed) I have never gotten anything better grouping wise than 15-20" at 150ft(measured with a 100 yard tape), with about one ball in ten going stray due to wind. The wind effects the Flatline alot more than the fact other barrels due to the fact that the balls move rather slow once downrange. IMO these tests were not conducted in a way that would show proformance in-game, they were conducted in a way to make the barrel seem more accurate than it really is. |
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Bruce A. Frank
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Posted: 10 March 2006 at 12:26pm |
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The article parallels the experience I have had with the Flatline and my testing was indoors. As I have said in previous posts about both the Flatline and the Apex, at those long ranges, though still flying with a nearly flat trajectory, the paintball has been in-flight so long that any little wisp of air movement has time to impart motion to the ball. What this and my test information says is that nothing about the barrel design degrades its accuracy. The point is that you can make shots with a Flatline that you would not attempt with a conventional smooth bore barrel. At such extended ranges wind drift becomes the prevailing factor in accuracy...not some inherent defect in the design or function of the Flatline. A smooth bore barrel trajectory is, in-fact, effected more at such long ranges due to its lack of stabilizing spin on the ball (a knuckle ball thrown by a pitcher has similar flight characteristics). But, we seldom take those long shots because it requires such high angles of elevation of the barrel to even reach those distances. At best, such high arching trajectories make it difficult to align with the target. And such curved trajectories make it difficult to see the fact that the ball was moved left or right by the wind. The extremely flat trajectory of the Flatline or Apex barrel makes it easier to actually see that the shot moved left or right...missing the target. The rumors of Flatline inaccuracy make people believe that a conventional ranges the Flatline misses more than most smooth bore barrels. The fact is, from test firing nearly a thousand rounds indoors, 50 to 100 foot accuracy is equal to or better that with most smooth bore barrels. I have attributed this to the gyroscopic stabilization that back spin gives to the ball. In my controlled tests using industrial warehouse fans, I found the back spin actually seems to improve close range accuracy when it is windy, preventing drift from every whim of the air currents. (again, the knuckle ball drifts up, down, right and left due to lack of stabilizing spin) With "bad" paint a Flatline will give you some spectacular flight paths. I have been amazed at some of the almost beautiful corkscrew spiral flight paths when using old dimpled or oval shaped paint. But, with fresh uniform paint I have found the Flatline to provide superior accuracy at any distance. |
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SpecterM4A1
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Posted: 10 March 2006 at 1:10pm |
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I totally agree with you. I have a flatline for my a-5(which i don't use anymore) and my brother and friend both have a flatline for their 98c. We all know how to install our barrels and knew about the whole leanning effect and we also used marbs. There is no way you can get a 4"-6" grouping at 100ft. My backyard is 90ft wide so i've done alot of tests from that range. At that range, its more like 14"-24" grouping. 4" is about the size of a closed fist, thats hard to do with a barrel that shoots straight. I'm thinking the measurements must be off or way over-exagurated. |
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A-5Mitch
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Posted: 10 March 2006 at 3:19pm |
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hey, I have a flatline and I haven't used it in months because it shoots crazy curve balls. I'm going to hope this is just from the paint, but I don't have the money for marbs so what tipe of cheeper paints work well in this barrel???? P.S I have found out that the A-5 stock barrel is worse at any given range, by far. |
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SpecterM4A1
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Posted: 10 March 2006 at 3:53pm |
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The a-5 stock barrel is more accurate than the flatline. I'v been using the flatline for almost 2 years and then finally i took it off to see how it was like to shoot a normal barrel. So, i put the stock barrel back on and a noticably difference in accuracy. It was way more accurate. I compared it to my brothers lapco bigshot 7.5" and it was about the same, but seemed as if the stock barrel shot a little more accurate. |
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A-5Mitch
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Posted: 10 March 2006 at 4:19pm |
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they must have given you an exeptionaly good stock barrel because mine has a spred of 4-5 ft. at about 100 ft.
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MoNkeY Hunter
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Posted: 10 March 2006 at 7:08pm |
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Tippmann TFs are alright, I dont realy like em but I can't say they suck when I get shot flipin an intire field length away.
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