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    Posted: 06 February 2007 at 9:56am
Interesting Discovery Channel video. Watch the flex of the AK barrel when fired, wobbles all over the place...accuracy issues.
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Very interesting video. Looks like they both have their strengths and weaknesses, and I think it's very fitting that our forces use the M-16 while the AK is more often associated with insurgents and the like.

Here's another interesting one
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Having toyed with both rifles only for a limited amount of time, it was tough for me to form a preference.

The M-4 I fired seemed a lot more comfortable to me to shoot. I enjoyed it.

The AK was more robust feeling, but I hated the sights, and it was somewhat irritating to shoot.

This is one of those "chicken or egg" debates that'll never really have a suitable conclusion.

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Yup, the AK is not as much a precision insturment, but it most assuredly has it's strengths.
For example, reliability, ease of finding parts, ease of use, price, and durability.
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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

This is one of those "chicken or egg" debates that'll never really have a suitable conclusion.

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Which one is cheaper to produce? 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote *Stealth* Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 February 2007 at 12:23pm
Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

Which one is cheaper to produce? 



The AK has such a amount in circulation already, it almost doesn't even need to be produced. I imagine the m16 is cheaper though.
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Personally... The AK is better... Much simpler to produce, rounds are VERY easy to get a hold of, and they take a beating like you would not believe. Where the M-16, is kinda Rough to learn how to gut, put back together...

I watched a thing on the Military channel about the best "Assault Rifles" of all time, and there was like 3 historians, Retired Major of the Marine Corp. and some Author or something... and they all Agreed even though the M-16 is a very nice gun, The AK is just smidge better...
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cool videos, the 2nd video is why america scares me.

for the accuracy test in the first video i think it would have been better if the same guy shot both rifles, different people will have different accuracy.
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yea, but all things considered the ak still isn't a bad rifle...sort of scary to see that kind of flex in it though
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Originally posted by Squishey Squishey wrote:



for the accuracy test in the first video i think it would have been better if the same guy shot both rifles, different people will have different accuracy.


thats exactly what I was thinking, but both are apparently respected shooters

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Thank God for the subtitles.  I wouldn't understand the videos, sans them.
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Very cool vid. I've always like the AK mainly because of it's durability and ease of finding parts/ammo for it. M-16 is no joke though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pariel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 February 2007 at 6:40pm
Cool vid, not exactly true though. They took limited information and turned it into an overall argument, and their argument is innately flawed in some ways, but it's a good view of those two (M16A1 and AK-47) weapons, without discussing upgrades or customization.
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Originally posted by Panda Man Panda Man wrote:

Personally... The AK is better... Much simpler to produce, rounds are VERY easy to get a hold of, and they take a beating like you would not believe. Where the M-16, is kinda Rough to learn how to gut, put back together...

I watched a thing on the Military channel about the best "Assault Rifles" of all time, and there was like 3 historians, Retired Major of the Marine Corp. and some Author or something... and they all Agreed even though the M-16 is a very nice gun, The AK is just smidge better...
Your talking about the soviet AK the chinease AK's are complete crap.
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This slow-mo vid has been out for some time. Unless the butt was placed on a brick wall, the reciver wouldn't have flexed that much. Anyways milled and RPK style AK-s do not have nearly the kind of flex.

Replacement cost of the M-16A2 is what? $400-600? Replacement cost of the AKM is probably less than half that.

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All I'm going to say is that the M16 is not a pain to learn how to gut. Very simple to take apwart and put back together. Cleaning it on the other hand, well I dont even want to talk about that. Ive cleaned for 8 hours straight and there is still carbon on it..
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The M-16 doesn't take any time at all to take apart...the AK seems easier because it's so easy to take the receiver apart, but putting it back together...the M-16 is a far smoother process.

However, if my life depended on it, I'd say give me the AK. My AR was constantly developing surface rust, and they require fairly regular cleaning. My AK on the other hand...I've never cleaned it, and it looks and fires brand new. I need to, I realize, but the point stands that the AR wouldn't have looked near as good this far down the road without cleaning it.

My only major issues with the AK are the sights and the absolutely horrendous trigger pull.  AK's and SKS's have the worst trigger pulls, however with a good trigger and either a scope or better sights, the AK is the more reliable, rugged rifle IMO.

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in my opinion that video is much better if you watch it while listening to metallica- seek and destroy
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