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    Posted: 30 April 2007 at 10:19pm
I calculated my personal costs of goin green:

Bio-Diesel (jello) mix w/ULSD $2.75 avg

Old mpg with untreated deisel 6.58 avg
New mpg with this Bio/ULSD 5.28

At average of 11,000 miles per month, so math is:

@6.58mpg @1671 gal monthly cost $4595.25 (reg deisel)
@5.28mpg @2083 gal monthly cost $5728.25 (bio/ULSD)

Profit loss from last operational year for fuel $13596

Maintenence cost since Feb 07 due to Bio/ULSD lower power rating and poor internal engine lubrication so far:

1 set fuel injectors: $975.38 w/labor
1 new turbo $1189.94 w/labor

Have a pre 07 Cat engine, to purchase new truck w/07 compliant engine additional $11-15,000 to cost of truck.

Problem is the sulpher scrubber will not begin chemical reaction needed to perform with current ULSD fuel blends, you must add a sulpher additive per fill to initiate reaction in scrubber, so the point of ULSD is?




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Do you have the new Acert engine with particulant trap?
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No idea what that means, but I really need a laugh tonight.

OS, explain again how that whole conspiracy works about college brainwashing people into falling into a system.

Whatever it was, I want to hear it again.

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And the cost of not going green? Something like every major coastal city in the world, plus the cost of the massive strife caused by all those displaced people, if we're lucky, or the human species' ability to live on this planet...or anything in between....Not sure what dollar amounts to place on those though...

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And it will all happen in 3 years... Wait breaking news!!! scientists are now saying two years ! no... 6 months! no... next tuesday!!!!!
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Hey, OS, ever shut up and realize that "Going Green" isnt about saving money, it's about the planet. Sorry for sounding like a liberal hippie, but money isnt everything.
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Did you figure in:

- 50% savings on heating and cooling bill for using high-efficiency windows.

- An additional approximate 25% savings on heating and cooling for upgraded insulation and caulking.

- 75% savings on lighting bill by switching to CFL.

- 50%+ savings on all residential energy usage by designing your next house with efficiency in mind.

- 25%-50% savings on fuel for personal use by choosing a more fuel-efficient vehicle.

- 50% (or more) savings on amounts spent on disposable paper products by using less when needed and using reusable cloth materials when appropriate.

- 25% savings on hot water heating cost by using low pressure showerheads and aerators.

- 25% savings on hot water heating cost by using high-efficiency heater; or 80%-100% savings on hot water heating cost by using solar water heating.

- 10%-20% savings on heating and cooling by using a timer thermostat and raising the temperature 2* in the summer and lowering it by 2* in the winter.

- Energy savings by cleaning replacing filters as needed.

- 10% savings on cooling cost by placing your A/C units in the shade (or planting a bush next to them).

- 40% savings on heating and cooling by buying high-efficiency furnaces and air conditioners.

- 33% savings on vehicle fuel for not driving aggressively.

- 1%-25% savings on vehicle fuel for emptying out your trunk.

- 10% savings on vehicle fuel for changing oil and filters regularly.

- 10%-30% savings on laundry energy usage for choosing a more efficient washer/dryer, and avoiding small loads.

- Savings on property taxes for reduced garbage disposal and reduced water usage.

- Economic benefits to the entire economy by recycling, thereby supporting the multi-billion-dollar recycling industry and reducing materials cost for users of metals/plastics/paper, resulting in savings to the consumer.

That's just off the top of my head.  The list is, quite literally, endless.  Going "green" can be a TREMENDOUS money saver.

I ask you again, OS:  Are waste and excess conservative family values?
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I feel the need to go hug my tree.
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Clark, I'd totally have your babies if you werent....that way...
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More like $45 per 8th.

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If you want to make the cost of fuel cheaper just drill off the US coast, and in Alaska.       
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Originally posted by CarbineKid CarbineKid wrote:

If you want to make the cost of fuel cheaper just drill off the US coast, and in Alaska.       


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I bet that bio diesel will be looking pretty good when regular gas hits about 4 plus bucks a gallon.
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Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

More like $45 per 8th.


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Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

More like $45 per 8th.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Clark, I'd totally have your babies if you werent....that way...


I'll second that....

And on the money v. Earth thing....Money shouldn't even be a factor here, like choop said, but like Clark was alluding to, going "green" even makes financial sense....can you imagine the financial loss if just one major coastal city went under water? Jesus, it's staggering....And that's just one angle to look at...

Let's not forget about the geopolitical necessity of ending our reliance on a natural resource that comes primarily from the second most unstable region on the planet. Not to mention averting the disaster that will come if we are still reliant on oil when it finally runs out...I really hope I never see that happen...To me, alternative fuels make absolute sense, regardless of global warming....If you don't care about the planet, at least care about the future of your country...."patriot"....


Edited by .Ryan - 30 April 2007 at 11:32pm

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Wow the tree hugging hippie nonsense going on here would make Algore proud. So exactly what city are we going to lose if we drill in Alaska, or off the coast ?       
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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Did you figure in:


- 50% savings on heating and cooling bill for using high-efficiency windows.


- An additional approximate 25% savings on heating and cooling for upgraded insulation and caulking.


- 75% savings on lighting bill by switching to CFL.


- 50%+ savings on all residential energy usage by designing your next house with efficiency in mind.


- 25%-50% savings on fuel for personal use by choosing a more fuel-efficient vehicle.


- 50% (or more) savings on amounts spent on disposable paper products by using less when needed and using reusable cloth materials when appropriate.


- 25% savings on hot water heating cost by using low pressure showerheads and aerators.


- 25% savings on hot water heating cost by using high-efficiency heater; or 80%-100% savings on hot water heating cost by using solar water heating.


- 10%-20% savings on heating and cooling by using a timer thermostat and raising the temperature 2* in the summer and lowering it by 2* in the winter.


- Energy savings by cleaning replacing filters as needed.


- 10% savings on cooling cost by placing your A/C units in the shade (or planting a bush next to them).


- 40% savings on heating and cooling by buying high-efficiency furnaces and air conditioners.


- 33% savings on vehicle fuel for not driving aggressively.


- 1%-25% savings on vehicle fuel for emptying out your trunk.


- 10% savings on vehicle fuel for changing oil and filters regularly.


- 10%-30% savings on laundry energy usage for choosing a more efficient washer/dryer, and avoiding small loads.


- Savings on property taxes for reduced garbage disposal and reduced water usage.


- Economic benefits to the entire economy by recycling, thereby supporting the multi-billion-dollar recycling industry and reducing materials cost for users of metals/plastics/paper, resulting in savings to the consumer.


That's just off the top of my head.  The list is, quite literally, endless.  Going "green" can be a TREMENDOUS money saver.





First, recycling is great.....LED lighting is the future for a major energy savings in the home.
OK...how many of these have you taken to the bank for home improvement loans? You planning to build your own "high efficiency" home soon? Unless you have a really good income you will be building a very small home that has very little air exchange holding most of the "used air" inside.....yuk....
Have you changed your driving habits AND bought a new high mileage car?
I don't know where you got all those figures but most of them are bogus & way over rated compared to the reality and a couple are "out there".
It DOES matter what the costs are..... but I'd bet there aren't very many of you in a position to really understand that from experience. Unless you actually own a home and have to pay all the expenses to operate that home and run a family you have no idea what you're talking about.
Owning a home is difficult enough for most people but almost doubling the cost of the home loan (and insurance costs) to save energy isn't an easy task and it's beyond most people without a major increase of the Family income.
You can wipe your butt with a wash cloth....I'm not.....heh, heh.....

Edited by pepprdog - 30 April 2007 at 11:44pm


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Originally posted by CarbineKid CarbineKid wrote:

Wow the tree hugging hippie nonsense going on here would make Algore proud. So exactly what city are we going to lose if we drill in Alaska, or off the coast ?       


None....I was referring to the cities that we'll lose when the glaciers finish melting and the sea level rises, thereby moving the coastline in like 20 miles while New York and San Francisco, along with many other cities world wide stay where they're at....Don't try so hard to prove your ignorance next time man, we're all very familiar with it....

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So OS goes "green" with his truck and then everybody rips him a new one because he added up the costs and complained about the ULSD fuel standards?
You guys are a great bunch....
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