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    Posted: 09 September 2010 at 12:36am
Ok, I have a few thousand laying around in my savings account and I'm interested in advice as to what to do with it. 

Any information on how I can make that money earn more cash would be appreciated.
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Being only a few thousand and young, I'd go with a CD.

It's secured and still keeps your assets liquid should something happen.
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First, do you have an emergency fund?


If yes: Put the money you don't need right away in to mutual funds.

If no: Make an emergency fund.

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I've always been told that if you aren't going to need the money any time soon, a Roth IRA is the best way to go.


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I've heard of a fellow named Madoff, your money would probably do well with him.
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Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

I've heard of a fellow named Madoff Markhoff, your money would probably do well with him.



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As someone state above, if you don't have an emergency fund, stick it in an interest earning savings account. If you do, mutual funds are a great way to go. Roth IRA is also good as, "there is no greater force in the universe than compound interest." You are never too young to start saving for retirement.

Stay away from CDs right now. If the interest rates were higher and inflation wasn't an issue, then sure, but right now, if you compare the CD rate at your bank to the inflation rate, you'd actually be LOSING money by putting your money in a CD rather than a high yield savings account (ING and other online banks give good rates) or mutual funds or an IRA.

Remember IRA's aren't liquid. They're retirement funds. While you can raid it in an emergency, the tax penalties are stiff.

Personally, GE looks good to me in a long-term investment strategy. They produce a wide range of products, are increasing their wind turbine production and will probably be the forefront manufacturer in big solar projects too.
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Keep in mind that the benefit of a Roth IRA as opposed to a traditional IRA or 401(k) is that you can take out any and all contributions without being taxed/fined a penny, because that money was taxed BEFORE you put it in.

The only withdrawals that are taxed/fined are the earnings.


That's why many financial specialist say your Emergency Fund should be in a Roth, as you always have access to it, but not instantaneous access, and it can earn you a crap ton of money, even if you only invest in bonds and not stocks.

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I'll second Tallen's recommendation of General Electric. I listened the first time he gave that advice- they were trading betwen $10.30 and $13.00 per share when I got in. It then went up to nearly $19 a share. It's trading at $15.90/share right now, but it's been a rough summer for a lot of stocks. They're a solid company, broadly diversified, and are the largest corporation in the world. they've already largely squared away the GE Capital component of the conglomerate that was a large driving force behind their price drop during the recession.

At the same time, as a major manufacturer of big ticket industrial items - AND of provision of decades of maintenance and upgrade services to same - they're well poised to continue upwards as the economy climbs back.

Generally speaking, don't invest in stocks for the short term; actively trading - unless you REALLY know what you're doing and are broadly diversified - is a good way to get hurt. Picking a solid long term stop with a low current valuation, a solid track record, and a healthy dividend is a good way to see your money grow win the long term. It will rise and fall in that time, but you ought to see a net gain. And don't get scared when prices occasionally plummet. If you're willing to sock some money away over a time frame of a few years, this is a very safe bet.



Tallen- In addition to their investment in wind turbine technology, they're a big player in the 'smart grid' market, and GE Health is a solid long term bet; America is one of the last developed nations without a modern system of networked and digitized patient records, and GE is constantly picking up contracts for these systems. Aviation's been hurt about as badly as it can be, so their jet engine business ought to pick up from here on too.


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It's speculated that November 18th will be the IPO date for GM. I'll be buying some stock. Not only have they successfully trimmed the fat, but they're actually starting to make cars that people want to buy. Buick is no longer a land-going boat, Cadillac continues to shed the ghetto image, and whether or not it's a decent car, the Volt promises to scoop up more than its fair share of hippies and celebrities who want to be seen in something more environmentally friendly than a hybrid.
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

. . . the Volt promises to scoop up more than its fair share of hippies and celebrities who want to be seen in something more environmentally friendly than a hybrid.


I don't know about that, it does nothing for me.  It's not that it's revolting or anything, it just doesn't generate a spark of interest for me.  (Maybe I'm just not amped about alternative vehicles in general.)  Oh well, at least it's nice seeing a US company lead the charge towards improved electric vehicles.
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No way would I buy GE...
 
Or GM (when it is available)...
 
GE is up because Obama is in office (and the hope of cap and tax passing) they have sold their soul to the fake promise of unlimited energy from windmills and such... It won't pan out long term, as the cost vs the maintenance (what GE makes their money from) will prove to be a complete waste of cash compared to coal or propane, or dams, or nuclear...
 
(weird that Dams aren't considered "green" now isn't it... Oh wait, they don't break down all the time and run off an unlimited source like wind or the sun... ) oh wait.
 
Personally, I think the market is your best bet right now. But, buying the right stock is the key. Mutual funds are for suckers... Some are decent, but they are not easy to find. You have to look at their 5 year averages minimum, and if ONE person changed in management in the fund... Then don't trust it. (they change jobs like we change underwear... that is why I dislike them so much... THey show a great long term return, until you buy in, and then you get mediocre results if results at all.)
 
Right now, I would look at long term stocks that are low, but have good upside.
 
P&G is one of mine. (pg)
 
Also, Wal-Mart. (wmt)
 
I also had over 300 shares in Apple (aapl) but I sold it as I think the government is "propping up" the market right now...
 
Which in my tin foil filled mind means... Once the republicans take over in November, we will have a major market "correction" in the coming year as Obama will have the fed start pulling money out, to prove how dumb we all were for voting for the other party...
 
It is all about the blame with this guy.
 
Business bad. republicans bad, fox news bad, tea party bad... In my strange mind I see that as a possibility.
 
 
 
 
So, if that happens, you know what will skyrocket... Gold and silver. Or just leave it in Cash. (where mine is currently) until this stuff starts to level out.
 
 
But, get on a plan of some kind. I have been saving a minimum of $2,000 a year since I was 18. I'm 38. Plus I saved money to invest in real estate. Remember you need 20% down minimum for a house...
 
I have over 50% down on my house... And NONE of it came from my retirement.
 
When you purchase something. Buy it cheap. Always get a deal, and buy stuff that holds its value, so you can flip it later. Cars are the WORST thing you can buy with your money (in most cases, collectable is different obviously) Next worse thing you can buy is technology.
 
But, most Americans have the latest technology... So that is why Apple stock is such a good bet long term (although I wouldn't buy it right now, as it still is at record heights.)
 
 
anyway, that is my 2c. Just buy some P & G. They have good dividends as well... And open a 401k or roth ira.
 
 
All of you should get into some plan now, while you are young. One for retirement, and a second for a house... And a third for a car if your smart.
 
Then pay cash for everything.
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Yes, Proctor & Gamble is typically held to be a very good long term stock. Dividends are solid, and they sell the kind of things that people will always buy regardless. I need to look at them again next time I'm putting some cash into stocks.

I disagree with you regarding General Electric. They still make at least half their revenue from financial services through GE capital- they finance a lot of industry and research. Besides that, their manufacturing is so broadly diversified that it's far from dependent on any one thing. Additionally, GE sells worldwide. While some plans of the current administration are indeed favourable to them, they're hardly dependent on them either. Less than half of their earnings come from within the U.S. There's tremendous potential for them as developing nations such as India and China develop their major infrastructure and industry.

Yes, GE aggressively pursues emergent initiatives, such as the green energy sector, network-centric healthcare, etc, but they are so broadly diversified and so entrenched in so many markets that long term they are an absolutely solid bet.

I vehemently disagree that mutual funds are 'for suckers'. For people who don't have the assets to invest extensively in stocks, mutual funds are a great way to ensure diversification. Are the potential gains as high as stocks? No, absolutely not, if the rights stocks are picked. Mutuals, however, are at much lesser risk of a permanent loss of value than any individual stock is. They also allow you to gain broad exposure to a particular sector, such as funds focusing on emerging markets, or a particular geographic region, or a selection of stocks in particular parts of the economy such as energy, or finance, or resources, or what have you. Someone with a modest amount of cash - like what's being discussed in this thread - wishing to invest in the emergent markets in Brazil, Russia, India and China, for instance, is far more likely to find mutual funds of quality than to successfully pick one or two stocks that will do quite well.

Many people simply don't have the time or the knowledge to properly research individual stocks for investments. It's easy to get sucked into charlatanry and to make bad investments based on some glowing articles. Mutual funds - particularly reputable ones - make it much easier to avoid this. Yes, you lose some of the potential return in the management costs of the fund, and yes, you're unlikely to 'win' a gamble and pick one of those stocks that ends up climbing and climbing. But if you're starting out investing and don't want to put all your eggs in one basket, mutual funds can be excellent if they're well picked. Also recall that we've just been through a tremendous economic slump followed by a fast but partial recovery, so looking at returns in the past few years is going to be hard make make sound investments on. Better to figure out what will be good in the future.

Some prognostications that are pretty safe:

China and India will continue industrializing and will consequently need vast quantities of all resources. Think currently underdeveloped or unattractive sources of resources like the oil sands in western Canada. If Pelosi wants to complain about how dirty it is, that's fine, China will buy it instead.

Lots of people are going to get old and sickly. Industries that cater to the elderly should do very well in the next few decades as the early baby boomers start hitting retirement and also start having health problems.

Our lifestyles will continue to be consumerist. Look at the companies making the stuff you use daily- cereal, shaving cream, soft drinks, etc, figure out who ultimately owns them, and look at what else they own. If they're consumer staples it's a solid long term bet.

My personal preference for a lot of my long term stuff is natural resources, particularly the energy sector.


Our government did something pretty cool a few years ago. They passed a law creating a 'tax free savings account'; essentially what it is is a registered account at any bank where each year you can contribute up to $5000 (will be indexed to inflation in $500 increments), and you can invest and trade within that account completely tax free. You can take it out at any time, and you can recontribute cash once you have it again- not just up to the $5k/a,  ut up to the total value of what was in there when you took it out. So if you invest five grand, and it increases in value to $20k, you pay no tax, you can take it out whenever you want, and when you later have $20k again you can put it back in and continue to invest. Potentially some massive tax savings if the investments are successful. These accounts are in their second year of running now. One of the few things our government has done which I heartily approve of... For some reason most people are using them for low yield investments like GICs and government bonds though, which is dumb.


Edited by brihard - 10 September 2010 at 5:07pm
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P&G is a no brainer for long term dividend payoff, but so is SYSCO or any other big name in consumer products. If that's what you're looking for, then you might as well buy HBI (Hanes) or Kraft-Sarah Lee while you're at it as they're going to stay stable (with the occasional dive or rebound) and pay you dividends. But when you're younger, it can pay off big time to have a bit more risk-oriented portfolio.

I stand by the GM statement and GE as well. GE is simply too diversified to be going anywhere anytime soon.

I wouldn't sink anything into Walmart for the long-term btw. It's looking like their business model isn't going to be as viable in the next 5-10 years as it has been over the past decade and a half. China is running out of cheap labor and will eventually have to unpeg the Yuan to counter rising domestic costs. The next "china" for manufacturers is Thailand and the start-up costs there are still higher than they were in China 10 years ago. Walmart won't be able to bring you "cheap and cheerful" for much longer.

GM's rebranding is doing wonders for their market share and I think if you get in on the IPO and hold onto it until Obama's second term, you'll be very happy indeed.
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The exact same arguements made for GE were made for Enron... We all know how that ended.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

The exact same arguements made for GE were made for Enron... We all know how that ended.


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