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    Posted: 26 May 2012 at 10:26am
Figured I would link this . . . because we haven't had a good 2nd amendment/self-defense discussion in a while.

My take.  No sympathy for her for getting shot and I think she should be charged.  Her attorney, who said that being shot was punishment enough, apparently has difficulty understanding the difference between natural and legal consequences.


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Paying attention Choopie? No drunk shenanigans when you get to the States. LOL

I'm surprised that the home owners are not getting charged. And the student is, I would expect the opposite from Boulder.

And oh, I would hit it.
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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:



I'm surprised that the home owners are not getting charged. And the student is, I would expect the opposite from Boulder.




Had that happened in NY, the homeowners would be in jail already, the student would have filed a massive lawsuit and won, and the anti-gun people would be rabid.
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I'm pretty sure if a drunk, hot college girl wanders into my room a bullet is the least of her worries.
 
And meh on both accounts...homeowners probably shouldn't be charged, and I'd say the bullet is lesson enough to keep her from doing it again.
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^^^ I disagree.

Why, because she got stupid and broke the law and has yet to suffer legal consequences.  And, before anyone says "but she was drunk," let me add that she made the decision to drink . . . and everything that happened is a consequence of that decision.  In other words, she brought this on herself.
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She can plea to probation and let it be over. I'm sure there are better uses for Colorado prison beds.
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Originally posted by impulse418 impulse418 wrote:

Paying attention Choopie? No drunk shenanigans when you get to the States.

LOL

I'm surprised that the home owners are not getting charged. And the student is, I would expect the opposite from Boulder.

And oh, I would hit it.


I've got a reminder written on my hand, lets hope it helps. I'm used to being able to be arrested, not shot.
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

I'm pretty sure if a drunk, hot college girl wanders into my room a bullet is the least of her worries.

 

And meh on both accounts...homeowners probably shouldn't be charged, and I'd say the bullet is lesson enough to keep her from doing it again.


This is a slippery slope to saying that the public can exact legal justice without due process as long as they possess the means.
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

I'm pretty sure if a drunk, hot college girl wanders into my room a bullet is the least of her worries.

 

And meh on both accounts...homeowners probably shouldn't be charged, and I'd say the bullet is lesson enough to keep her from doing it again.


This is a slippery slope to saying that the public can exact legal justice without due process as long as they possess the means.



Actually, this is a good point. To say that she's been punished enough by being shot is saying that the dispensation of justice on the part of the general public is a-ok, which could set a precedent for....who knows what.

As far as a 'she was drunk' defense might go, that should be worth absolutely nothing. You're responsible for the actions you commit when drinking. So, I think I agree with mack 100% on this one. Despite catching a bullet, there SHOULD be legal recourse taken.
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I am a bit surprised by this:

"The district attorney says the couple who shot her won't face charges because the shooting falls under Colorado's "Make My Day" law, which allows homeowners to use deadly force against intruders if they feel threatened."

Not the fact that they're not being charged, but the fact it's called the "Make My Day" law. Seems kind of....crass?
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

I am a bit surprised by this:

"The district attorney says the couple who shot her won't face charges because the shooting falls under Colorado's "Make My Day" law, which allows homeowners to use deadly force against intruders if they feel threatened."

Not the fact that they're not being charged, but the fact it's called the "Make My Day" law. Seems kind of....crass?


It's actually not an uncommon phrasing for the law. The weapons safety class I helped with today talked about our common laws NOT constituting a "make my day law," so I imagine it's not a terribly rare thing.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

I am a bit surprised by this:

"The district attorney says the couple who shot her won't face charges because the shooting falls under Colorado's "Make My Day" law, which allows homeowners to use deadly force against intruders if they feel threatened."

Not the fact that they're not being charged, but the fact it's called the "Make My Day" law. Seems kind of....crass?

Just a nickname born in Colorado. The actual terminology is  the Caste Doctrine, which basically states that a homeowner can use whatever means felt necessary to fend off a home invader. It's not a law per say.


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I have a longer post typed up and copied, but the spam filter won't let it through. I'll search around for a bit after I post this, but I believe it was named that after expanding the castle doctrine laws in CO.
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It's just another completely screwed up application of this country's sick love for vigilantism.
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Originally posted by sinisterNorth sinisterNorth wrote:



Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

I am a bit surprised by this:

"The district attorney says the couple who shot her won't face charges because the shooting falls under Colorado's "Make My Day" law, which allows homeowners to use deadly force against intruders if they feel threatened."

Not the fact that they're not being charged, but the fact it's called the "Make My Day" law. Seems kind of....crass?


Just a nickname born in Colorado. The actual terminology is  the Caste Doctrine, which basically states that a homeowner can use whatever means felt necessary to fend off a home invader. It's not a law per say.



Okay, that one I'm familiar with and I think makes much more sense/ sounds less like you cant wait to shoot someone in the face.
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It's just another completely screwed up application of this country's sick love for vigilantism.



So it's alright if someone breaks into your house?
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Originally posted by BARREL BREAK BARREL BREAK wrote:

It's just another completely screwed up application of this country's sick love for vigilantism.
How is it vigilantism if you aren't actively seeking out the aggressor but warning them off loudly and repeatedly before shooting?
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It's just another completely legitimate example of a homeowner protecting his family from an unknown intruder



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