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    Posted: 18 April 2011 at 3:16pm
OK since most of you are near that generational number a question. Step-daughter is 'going out' with an 18year old, she is 15 to be 16 in July. Again being the Step-Dad, I can advise, but Momma (who is way too polyanna) is the primary decesion maker in that department. In my day such an act of a 'Senior' going out with a 'Sophomore' was not 'approved' by the seniors peer group. I have given this young man the 'Meet the Parents' Jack Byrnes (De Niro) 'V' from eyes watching you motion, just so he understands my view on the situation (not in front of Momma or step-daughter).

My other question is: Is this young man that uncomfortable with girls his age that he has to 'prey' on younger less mature girls. Step-daughter states they broke up, (single facebook status now) but are still 'going out' as friends? He took her to his Prom saturday, and is coming to Easter Dinner here at house Sunday. Also on drop off from Prom, yes I waited up in the tradition 'Dad' roll, a 'hickey' was very evident on the neck of this 'hero', that was not present at 'grandmas house picture session a few hours prior.

My next step is 'you do understand she is a minor child in the State of Nebraska, so ANY funny stuff is by law not consensual, and your cell mates will love your young butt long time' speach. Parents of this young man are disfunctional at best, seperate and got back together ate leat 3 time during the short time step-daughter has known him, so there is another behavior 'red flag' I consider in this whole equation. This young man is also a lot 'lighter in the loafers' than any 18 year old I got off the busses back in my Drill Sergeant days, and has no real 'life plan' per our few courtesy discussions. (She turns up pregnant, he turns up dead, has been tossed around in my Momma conversations)

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Eh, 2 years at that age really isn't that much of a difference, maturity wise, so I don't feel like that is a fair argument.  You can try to cut him off from her, but they will just ignore you and do whatever they want anyhow, behind your back.  Your best bet to ensure your step daughter's safety is to sit her down and talk about the various risks and what they could mean to her in the immediate(teens don't think long term) future.  Then make sure that if she is getting it on, that she does it safely with appropriate contraceptives.  
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Drop kick his ass into next week.  Seriously.  An 18 year old guy looking to date a 15/16 year old girl?  he doesn't have her safety or best interests in mind. 
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No, but short of murder, stalking or keeping one of them chained to the radiator, they are going to do what they want. 
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I'd have to say 90% of the time that' a bad thing, but I do know a few couples who began dating in high school with that much of an age difference who are still together and happy (probably because they don't have kids).

If your initial impression was that he's a great guy and your stepdaughter was a level-headed, rational and mature 15 year old (less than 1% chance of that) I'd say it'll be fine. But since you seem to think he's immature and/or effeminate , watch him like a hawk, make sure he knows it, and be pleasant about it to your stepdaughter. 2 1/2 years isn't a huge age difference, but odds are she will gain maturity faster than he will if he's the tool-bag he sounds like and it will play itself out. 
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

(She turns up pregnant, he turns up dead, has been tossed around in my Momma conversations)

Because it's totally his fault if that happens, right?

Odds are "step-daughter" isn't as much of an angel as you've made her out to be. I mean just look, she put a hickey on someone's neck out of wedlock!!! What a whore!

Sarcasm aside, I get that you're uber protective and I'm not suggesting my first instinct would differ in the slightest, you really need a reality check here though. Calm down, relax the internet tough guy attitude and give the girl a chance to handle her responsibilities. I'm not telling you to back off entirely and do w/e but running her life like this is not going to help her learn to make decisions. For instance you have to actually let her make a real decision first.

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Your best bet to ensure your step daughter's safety is to sit her down and talk about the various risks and what they could mean to her in the immediate(teens don't think long term) future.  Then make sure that if she is getting it on, that she does it safely with appropriate contraceptives.

I would probably go as far as sitting that young man down and having a similar, non-threatening talk. Show him a little respect and he's likely to return the favor.
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As someone who is actually in high-school and is 18... Its not that big of a difference. I can see that most girls her age are very immature and all they do is talk about sex. Could just be my school though... Usually if they are under 17, thats what they're in it for and don't know what a real relationship is. I personally wouldn't date anyone that young just for that reason, but I have a couple of friends that do and they either match the maturity level of the said 15 year old girls, or the girls themselves are actually mature. Most of them are not though.

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I'm pretty sure in Nebraska 16 is the age of consent for sex. I am not one hundred percent sure, but regardless the age difference really isn't that much of a deal. On a side not, I would get her on birth control asap anymore it doesn't matter what you do kids in high school are going to have sex. I know here in Omaha area they have been having lots of problems at prom with kids literally having sex while dancing and finding used condoms afterwords. I also know that a lot of the middle school kids are now sexually active as well because the parents don't care.
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Its not that big of a deal. My high school had that, heck, I dated sophomore for a couple days when I was a senior (she was crazy, she is why I stopped posting on facebook any plans or locations). When I was a freshman, a good friend of mine, a girl, started dating a senior guy and they are still together. We are sophomores in college now, so thats about 6 years.

Id say let it play out for a bit

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Also, if your step daughter should ever ask for your honest opinion about him, don't give it. I informed my sister that her ex bf was a douchebag when I first met him, she barely spoke to me for about a year until they broke up. I'd make sure to talk to him respectfully and subtly grill him about his future plans and stuff if he seems non-motivated. Let your wife take the lead on this, she should be on the pill to make sure you don't end up dealing with two generations of someone else's kids. 
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1. Create attractive female profile on Facebook.
2. 'Friend' daughter's boyfriend.
3. Flirt and Seduce daughter's boyfiend.
4. Publicy annouce BF gave you Std
5.....
6. Profit.


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FYI, Im 19 and in my second year of college, I graduated HS at 17.
 
As for the whole "what do peers think", most dont care. Unless your step daughter looks young for her age (and she probably does not) most people his age probably dont care. Chances are, he strikes a home run a lot of his friends will probably call him jailbait.
 
My 0.02 on the situation is, how much of a punk is the kid? If the kid is genuinely nice, respectful, makes her happy, etc then I wouldn't do much. If you think things are too serious between the two, I suggest sitting down with him and explain that you like him, find him nice, but her mom wants you to say dont get in her pants. Like someone said before, respect goes both ways.
 
Edit: whatever you do, dont attempt to tell the step daughter that she cant see him. It will end up with the step daughter hating you and thinking that scumbag is more important to her now.


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Another great idea.

Pay boyfriend 1,000 dollars to go away.
After he acccepts the cash, tell daughter.

1000 up front is better than having a teen mom in the house.


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Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

Drop kick his ass into next week.  Seriously.  An 18 year old guy looking to date a 15/16 year old girl?  he doesn't have her safety or best interests in mind. 


Essentially this, but i'm also one of about ten people in Long Island NY who are considered to be a redneck. Edit- and by that of course i mean that i'm no where near as liberal as most of the people on the island

if he's still in HS, then it's one thing. But if he's out of hs, playing around at community college or something, or even seems like he's into some shady stuff, i would question it.


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Granted I graduated high school five years ago, a senior dating a sophomore wasn't anything unheard of. There really wasn't much of a stigma or anything. 

Also, HV has given the best advice of anyone in the thread (Scary thought) I think. Have a non-threatening, respectful talk with the kid. Let him know that you care about your step-daughter, and you are trusting him to make the right decisions with his and her lives. Even if you don't trust him, him hearing it from you will mean something, even to an 18-year-old. 

Give a little respect in a situation like this and you'll get a whole lot of return on investment. 
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Look at it this way, treat him like a kid and that's the reaction/behavior you will see from him. The guy's initial reaction would likely be "up yours, old man, I'll show you." I think we all know "I'll show you!" rarely turns out how we want it to.

Show him some respect, treat him like a man (it will probably surprise him) and you'll have a significantly greater chance for cooperation. You mentioned his family is dysfunctional earlier. Let this be a chance for him to see that's not how life has to be and who knows, he may even look up to you in the end. Just try not to fill his head too full with conservative conspiracies. Wink
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Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

Drop kick his ass into next week.  Seriously.  An 18 year old guy looking to date a 15/16 year old girl?  he doesn't have her safety or best interests in mind. 
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I think it depends way more on how your step daughter is than the guy....

I have seen 16 year olds who I am like what are you 12? I have also seen 16 year olds who I thought were my age(few years ago). I am not talking looks, more their maturity/attitude.

Case in point: My step sister. I refuse to believe she is 16 because of how childish she acts ALL THE TIME. Then there is this kid I played paintball with who had a 16 year old girlfriend(he was also 18 and a senior) and I never knew she wasn't at least a senior until he said it one day.

Maybe my school was weird because I went to a technical high school where during shop weeks you have people two grades below you in your shop. 9th and 11th. 10th and 12th. It seemed frequent and normal for a senior to be dating a sophomore.
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I don't think it's too weird that a senior dates a sophomore. I know several sophomore girls at my school that act FAR more mature than a lot of the senior girls there. As jmac3 said about younger people being mature, i thought my girlfriend who's 18 was 21-22 age group.

In the broad spectrum of bad ideas I think this would have to rate somewhere between running with scissors and sticking your pecker in the toaster.
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