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    Posted: 08 January 2011 at 2:40pm
But seriously, this is unfortunate.  Ib4 CCW, etc.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

(CNN) -- At least 12 people were shot at a Tucson grocery store on Saturday, and U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was among them, a Democratic party source told CNN.

Giffords, 40, was holding a constituent meeting at the grocery store when the shooting occurred, according to a schedule posted on her website.

CNN could not confirm conditions for Giffords or any of the others wounded, but the Tuscon Citizen newspaper was reporting that Giffords was shot in the head.

The Democratic source described the situation as "pretty serious,"

The shooting occurred at a Safeway shortly after 10 a.m. MST, according to sheriff's spokesman Deputy Jason Ogan.store

Pictures from the scene showed a Giffords banner hanging from the storefront.

At least two victims with gunshot wounds were transported at Northwest Medical Center, according to spokesman Richard Parker.




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Idiotic title, though as it's parodying another idiotic title that's hardly surprising.

Giffords was in favour of the tougher Arizona immigration laws. If anything, this seems more likely to be a factor in her shooting.

Either that, or a constituent went completely unhinged over something that's not a big deal to hardly anyone else.
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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Either that, or a constituent went completely unhinged over something that's not a big deal to hardly anyone else.

She was one of the representatives who reported vandalism to their office after voting for the health care reform bill. 
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Apparently this is surr-ious.

I don't know how legitimate this is, but wow.
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What is amazing is how fast people decide "who" the shooter was...
 
Must have been a conservative, tea party member... No way he could be a liberal. Only conservatives shoot people... AMIRITE?
 
Oh wait.
 
Here is a quote from the shooter...
 
"No! I won't trust in god!"
 
Here are his favorite books.
 
"his favorite books are "Mein Kampf," the "Communist Manifesto," "Animal Farm" and "Brave New World."
 
yeah, those books are favorites among conservatives... wait.
 
 
It is a horrible shooting. Very sad, I feel for everyone who lost members of their family.
 
But it is way to typical for our media and even us to point fingers at left or right. Let us wait for the fact to come out. As this is probably just a loon who got a gun.
 
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Who'd have thought FE would be the one saying to not jump to conclusions. I agree though, it's always bad when people project their version of bad onto something like this to fit their ideals. Dont just create a profile for someone you know nothing about.
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I'm really bummed about this on several levels.

1. because it happened at all.
2. because people have been hurt and killed.
3. because of the finger pointing and blame game that is sure to follow, if it hasn't kicked off already.
4. because of the backlash that its going to have.

A toon gets a hold of a gun and takes out his frustrations on a government official. Political affiliations of the disturbed need to be ignored and this needs to be taken for what it is- a tragic violent crime committed by someone who had problems. Nothing more.

I'm interested to see how the shooting of one of their own prompts democrats to renew their push for tighter firearms restrictions.
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Oh, and here's the image from Palin's site. The wording is a bit iffy in hindsight, but Reb made a great point:

"Political affiliations of the disturbed need to be ignored and this needs to be taken for what it is- a tragic violent crime committed by someone who had problems. Nothing more. "

Also, not my screenshot/ browser.



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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 Let us wait for the fact to come out. 

I'll go ahead and save this quote. 
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I've seen the guys Youtube channel.  He has some strange views on how the world does or should work.  I'm not sure I'd say he was a Tea Partier so much as he is totally off his rocker.
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One former high school friend Tweeted about knowing the accused gunman:

"He was a pot head and into rock, like Hendrix, The Doors, Anti-Flag," she wrote. "I haven't seen him in person since 2007 in a sign language class. As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy. He had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in 2006 and dropped out of school. Mainly a loner, very philosophical."
 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

One former high school friend Tweeted about knowing the accused gunman:

"He was a pot head and into rock, like Hendrix, The Doors, Anti-Flag," she wrote. "I haven't seen him in person since 2007 in a sign language class. As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy. He had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in 2006 and dropped out of school. Mainly a loner, very philosophical."
 

'As I knew him'- three to four years ago. It appears that he's become significantly unhinged since that time. His politics- whatever they are, or at least whatever he considers them to be, are completely irrelevant to this. He is an individual who's lost touch with reality. No normal person of any political persuasion does stuff like this. It's as dumb to try to attribute significance to a dated comment describing him as 'left wing' as it was for people to try to pass him off as a 'tea party' supporter.
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Take a look at his Youtube channel. I don't know if it's appropriate for this forum, so go look for it, it isn't hard to find.

There is no way he falls in the political left.  I'm not sure he falls in the conventional "far right", either, which I think says quite a bit.

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

He is an individual who's lost touch with reality. No normal person of any political persuasion does stuff like this. It's as dumb to try to attribute significance to a dated comment describing him as 'left wing' as it was for people to try to pass him off as a 'tea party' supporter.


This.  It isn't about politics, it's about the fact that this guy clearly had mental issues, whether they're clinical or not.
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Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

  It isn't about politics, it's about the fact that this guy clearly had mental issues, whether they're clinical or not.


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Story time: 

The only time the general manager of the company I used to work for ever stepped in and overrode my control of the paper was when a gun target was involved. 

It was on the sports page, the Friday before UCF was about to play their rival USF in football. 

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So, it made sense to me, and the sports editor, to have the sports front art be a picture of Grothe with a target on him. Except the target pretty much looked like a gun sight. 

It looked cool, and we got our point across. 

Then, the general manager reminded us that before last year's game, a bunch of moron UCF fans got a hold of Matt Grothe's cell phone number and kept calling him with death threats. Also that it was irresponsible to put a gun target over someone in a newspaper. 

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I think that there is legitimate cause to criticize Palin's map, but at most that's one very small part of what happened yesterday.

The vitriol in American political rhetoric as a whole could probably be turned down a notch.  I'm not sure this incident will actually cause that though.
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"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida," Mr. Kanjorski said. "Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks."



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I'm sorry, I'm a long ways away from a Palin fan as most of you can probably guess. I think the woman is an idiot, but linking her map to what happened yesterday is just stupid and ignorant. Not saying that anyone here is doing that, but it's ridiculous. Granted, I don't really think Palin's map was appropriate, but it's hardly correlated in any way.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Chilling Video: Openly Rooting for Revolution, The Left Calls For American Civil Unrest & Riots -Fra - Naked Emperor News on TheBlaze.com - blip.tv | Naked Emperor News on TheBlaze.com
 
"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida," Mr. Kanjorski said. "Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks."



Read more: http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/editorials-columns/roderick-random/kanjorski-ponders-nuts-bolts-from-blue-1.1052739#ixzz1AXHh1VFy



So, what's your point?  That both sides of the aisle have people who exaggerate?

This is a stupid argument.
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