Stupid ?: Can u use the same tanks?

New to paintballing,  we bought the 14oz and 20oz Co2 tanks.  Can these same tanks hold compressed air? Is there a special adaptor we need for the scuba tank to fill the small tanks?  And also one of the guns we bought has an expansion chamber on it,  does that in anyway affect the type of gas/air you use?

The mom of Pdiddy

You will need a HPA tank to hold compressed air. Co2 tanks are not made for that kind of pressure for compressed air. An expansion chamber helps keep liquid co2 out of the gun, but can work on any air source.

so where can I get the HPA tanks?  What size is the best?  He has done competitive air rifle shooting  so I am wondering if the adapters we have for that gun will work with the hpa tanks?

Sorry for the crazy questions.  I am sure I will have more before the day is over. I just will try not to embarass him to bad!

Once again, Pdiddy's mom!

you can get HPA tanks on basically any paintball site, heres a couple, www.888paintball.com, www.actionvillage.com. umm size wise i would go 68/3000 or 68/4500. i recommend the 68/4500. and the brand u wanna look at our Crossfire, Air-America (i think thats wat they are called), and CenterFlag.

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And just to make it clear, HPA, Compressed air, and Nitro are the same thing in the paintball world. So if it says Nitro tank, it's the same thing as a HPA tank.

why are these tanks so high compared to the CO2?  I know probably thinking "man, this poor woman is a dingdong!" 

 

Most likely due to the higher base cost of the materials, plus the more involved production process for the fibre wrap.

CO2 will work fine for Tippmann markers. HPA is an upgrade that can wait until after you've really determined if the sport is for you an you want to dump serious money into it. You can get CO2 to perform pretty reliably with a regulator- agian, a future investment that is not immediately necessary.

Nickodemus wrote: It's because the military is snatching up all the fiber wrapped HPA tanks for breathing use. The soldiers use them instead of a gas mask now.

Yeah, ignore this guy.

Nickodemus wrote: brihard wrote: Nickodemus wrote: It's because the military is snatching up all the fiber wrapped HPA tanks for breathing use. The soldiers use them instead of a gas mask now. Yeah, ignore this guy. Ha OK this doof is canadian military and may still use gas masks. A friend of mine who is in the US Army and a co-worker's son who also is in the US Army both each have 2 fiber wrapped tanks on their back in the middle east. An air gun wholesaler I know turns a profit off taking the regulator out of metal tanks and putting them in carbon fiber tanks to sell since the supply is short from the government buys.

I'm calling Shens. The military WOULD NOt substitute gas masks for compressed air tanks, for a variety of logistical reasons. Follow my logic here.

You get gassed. You pull on your gas mask. Assuming it's not a persistent nerve agent that gets in through your skin and kills you before you don your NBC gear, your'e set. You can continue to breathe, and operate- albeit at a reduced tempo.

Conversely, you get gassed. You pull on your HPA mask and breathe through that. You eventually run out of air, and die, since you only have a limited amount with you. You can't refill them from a compressor, either, since that compressor would be pumping in chemical laden air form the outside.

The current standard of NBC protection is standardized throughout NATO militaries, generally so they can all use the same filter.s The U.S. military uses the same system concept as the Canadian, british, Australian, french, Italian, or for taht amtter pretty much any military force. A replaceable filter that channels inhaled air through an active carbon filter that elimiantes all chemical agents.

If you're being told that tanks are in short supply ebcause the army's using them for NBC protection you're gtting fed a line of bull.

There are SCBA systems used by the military, however theya re only deployed as part of designated NBC warfare evaluation/cleanup teams, and they have their own logistical support. the U.S. army as a whole, as well as every other militayr, uses normal gas amsks with conventional filter technology.

Contemporary gas masks often are compatible with HPA tank adapters, hwoever they are by no means standard issue among the military. Don't make a blind comment like 'soldiers use them instead of gas masks now' unless you actually understand how the system works, and moreover actually know what you're talking about.

Please find me even one news article or press release about HPA tanks being used as part of the standard NBCW protection suite the soldier carries- because I guarantee they aren't. Air tanks are much less energy, cost, time, and space efficient than simple filters, and are not in widespread use. The article you mentioned talks of a widespread carbon fibre shortage- nothing to do with military applications thereof, at least not outside of aerospace.


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Did you actually read it? It said the pentagon, not the U.S. army. Carbon fibre has massive aerospace applications. Most of it's likely going to the Air Force- the F/A-22 Raptor is heavily made of carbon fibre.

It's the material that is in a shortage- not the HPA carbon fibre air tanks, though that may occur later as a result. And agian, ther'e snothing to substantiate your claim that troops are using them instead of filters in their gas masks.

Carbon fibre's very strong and extremely versatile, so it's no surprise that production can't keep up. A lot of automakers are exploring its applications as well.


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