PPS Stabilizer Vs. X-Core

So I'm one of those people who doesnt believe HPA is all that great, at least when it comes to tippmanns.  I have an A-5 and am putting an E-Grip on it with Rampage board.  I use a 20 oz. C02 and more often then not i use a remote.  would you say a good x-core chamber would be good enough, or should i spring for a palmsers stabilizer?  If you suggest an x-core, which brand is good?

X-core is made by Dead On. Apparently it's one of the better X-chambers.

I'd go for the reg, because I view the X-chamber as a band-aid.

......X-Chambers work fine, only if you use the good ones though. The Tippmann X-Chamber isn't all that good.. it's four stages just like the stock Spyder Expansion Chambers.. you want ATLEAST 6 or 8, right now I'm pretty sure the X-Core is the only one that offers 8... it WILL "most" likely break up more liquid than a Stabalizer. Stabalizer (correct me if I'm wrong) is six stages + regulation.... X-Core is alot cheaper and will fix almost all your problems w\ C02. Heck, my gun never freezes up with Anti-Siphon alone.. I just added the X-Core for even more "protection"

Go with the stab... its not all about just freezing up its also about spikes when you regulate the air it puts a big stop to most of the spikes... but with co2 you will have a lot of shoot down because co2 doesnt recharge fast enough for an egrip

will i really get shoot down?  i thaught co2 had better recharge rates?

with high rates of fire everythin has shootdown it just depends how well your tank is... nitro tanks are better more not having shootdown

i dont no for a fact but i would say yes... i would say take the move to hpa... you can get a ok crossfire tank for a 100 which is the same price of a stab... but for the co2 with stab you most likely will cuz co2 is a nonconsistant gas 

C02 recharge rate is FINE. The problems he is talking about (I am hoping) is w\o an X-Core or Anti-Siphon.... You should be fine. I'm pretty sure C02's recharge rate is faster than MOST HPA tanks.

yes but they are making hpa tanks with almost no shootdown like the new crossfire tanks are in the top 3 i believe in least amount of shootdown... its in a magizine somewhere

"From the tests, the Centerflag, Crossfire and Pure Energy systems were found to have the best flow rates, with the Evil Scion producing very good results also.  Of these the Crossfire is the group leader, which, although matched by the Pure Energy system in terms of recovery time, does not suffer from the same pressure fluctuations.  The remaining systems all have regulators that start to close early in the recovery period, which has the effect of restricting airflow and extending the recovery time – the worst offenders being ACI Bulldog and the Dye Throttle with recovery times of over 10 times that of the Crossfire."

(Please read the entire article in 2004 PAINTBALL Ultimate hardware guide, COOKIN' ON GAS)

Edited by RicWhic414 - 20 September 2006 at 5:57pm

MilSimBaller wrote: will i get shoot down using co2 with a palmers stab?

Yes, its possible , shootdown happens when the CO2 cant convert to a gas from a liquid fast enough , and the temperature of the liquid drops , lowering the gas pressure , causing "Shootdown" , even if you have guaranteed 100 percent conversion to a gaseous state with the CO2, Its possible at sustained High rates of fire .

This is just a rough guesstimate , but if you do say,,, repeated bursts of 50+ ropes , with intermittent single shots , you WILL experience shootdown with CO2 , whereas , if you do mostly single shots ,or triplet bursts , and infrequent sustained bursts of "Supression " fire (aforementioned bursts of 50 plus rounds) , you'll most likely be fine with a reg or expansion chamber . My style of play more closely matches the latter , so I play with my 98C just as the air system came , and rarely if ever do I notice any shootdown .

The most accurate answer depends on your intended style of play , Yeah , its possible . I lay out supression fire when its called for , but its really difficult to say "No, system X will never allow you to experience shootdown" , it depends too much on how you use it , almost like getting mileage from an automobile , you keep the pedal to the metal , you arent gonna get the most mileage ,  , but you WILL get there quicker !