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    Posted: 14 April 2007 at 2:30pm
Hey I am wondering if I should buy a stock for my a-5 or just use my co2 tank soon to be crossfire 68/4500.
If Just the tank, would you use a drop forward?
This would be ONLY for woodsball.

Thank you very much,Also is the crossfire tank i mentioned, a very good one? good reg and everything no need for another reg?

One more thing, would you guys reccomend getting a firepower upgrade(r/t), or just keep the stock trigger/firepower setup?
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forget the drop foward get a remote line.

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Ya, if you are going to be in woodsball only get the remote. As for the crossfire, yes they are a very decent brand. Now onto the stock for the stock it's all personal preference some say they help you keep your gun steady me I could careless either way. Last but not least a fire power upgrade is a good upgrade so yes I would purchase one.
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No stock, no remote. You probably won't want the stock or remote later. I personally hate using either one. Instead of a firepower right now, maybe get a new barrel that way you don't need firepower to make up for terrible accuracy.
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As a woodsballer, I regret getting a stock on my old 98. It looks cool but is hard to maneuver. Stick with the tank. Does your A-5 have any upgrades now? If not, your first upgrades should be a barrel and an air upgrade. Get a regulator not an expansion chamber if you are switching to compressed air.  
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I happen to feel awkward holding and shooting my gun with out a stock. It just doesn't feel natural to me. Just my opinion. If you do get a R/T or E-grip I recommend that you beef up your cyclone also. You will chew up the stock plastic internals a lot quicker with either choice.
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I have an a-5 with a flatline which I despise, and a lapco bigshot, which is more accurate than the flatline lol.Also have an expansion chamber on it, didnt know about regs when i purchased it.There is really no reason to buy a 100 dollar reg with hpa though, im not going for that extra tiny tiny tiny bit of consistency for 100dollars.What do you guys think about the air thru special ops a5a2 stock with a remote line? is it really worth the xtrra 100 bucks to get an air thru stock than use a decent drop forward with my soon to be gettng crossfire 68/4500 with a comfy tank cover?.A remote on a regular stock seems weird to me so if i got one it would be an air thru stock.

EDIT: I dont feel the need for a firepower upgrade, I just want to focus on accuracy,weightstability and over all performance,I can pull the trigger fast enough for me, plenty of paint throwing imo.

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If the tank is Steel  you will want a remote.

I like stocks. It all depends on what you like

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I have read good things about the air-thru A5A2 HERE! Some bad things to. I guess the milling at the tombstone adapter can be a pain sometimes. I have the non air-thru version. And love it! I removed my A.S.A and mount my remote line directly into the tombstone.
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well the crossfire 68/4500 i believe is carbon wrapped or whatever the white stuff is, so should I still use an air thru with a remote or use a drop?
What would I need to fit a tasco red dot on my gun?
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Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

well the crossfire 68/4500 i believe is carbon wrapped or whatever the white stuff is, so should I still use an air thru with a remote or use a drop?

The answer to that question is all personal, dependent on your setup, the type of game you play and your own preference.  A drop and carbon fiber tank won't be too much heavier than the stock so weight probably isn't an issue.  Each will provide a different balance, though, which may or may not matter to you.  Drops are very popular in Speedball because they allow you to switch hands more easily.  Remotes are popular in Woodsball because you generally do a lot more hiking so it relieves some of the weight of your gun and the accessories you may have on it, plus a drop is hard to crawl around with.  And then, of course, which looks cooler?

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

What would I need to fit a tasco red dot on my gun?

http://www.specialopspaintball.com/shop/product_detail.asp?S KU=200+0039&SEARCH=FLATTOP%20RAIL



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Stocks, tanks, it's personal preference.

The advantage to tanks is that you don't add extra weight to the marker if you use it as a stock. The disadvantage is that they don't necessarily fit comfortably against the shoulder. The buttplates for CO2 tanks help though, and a neoprene cover on a compressed air tank will usually add comfort/prevent sliding if it is used as a stock.

Things to think about stocks:
  • They add weight (can be compensated for by going to remote on tank)
  • Make the marker longer which could cause situational disadvantages
  • Any kind of stock (or tank used as one) does increase the stability/comfort of the marker
    • It is possible to get that stability without them though
    • Check out the way some of the pro players hold their markers-locking the elbow against the chest and pulling the marker in tight does decrease the target area, but it also stabalizes the shooting platform (it's just more work than some type of stock)
  • Types of stocks
    • Solid*-unless required for a simulation, these should be avoided as they add weight and don't allow shortening of the marker if needed for added maneuverability
    • Collapseable** stocks-look cool and add the fuctionality of sizing marker to fit user or decreasing size for use in tight spaces; the downside is some are less solid than others
    • Folding-my personal favorite as they provide stability like a solid stock but allow the marker profile to be reduced more than a collapseable one does
Things to think about remote lines:
  • The metal ones provide less "pull" on the marker, but tend to reflect light and make noise when they rub against themselves
  • The coiled ones are quieter and less eye catching, but "pull" on the marker more
    • My understanding is that the "gas-through" stocks tend to mitigate the "pull"
*I'm just discussing semi's and above here. Solid stocks are great on pumps.
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Wow thank you so much for the lengthy informative post.
netramakin wowwww I love that mp5 look on your a-5,where did you get that stock and mag? also is that rail you reccomended me the one you have on, and it will for sure hold the tasco red dot sight?
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Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

well the crossfire 68/4500 i believe is carbon wrapped or whatever the white stuff is, so should I still use an air thru with a remote or use a drop?
What would I need to fit a tasco red dot on my gun?

my uncle has an a5 steath with a remote line and i hate that thing the way the hopper sits forward and there is no weight in the back because it comes with the remote line you are constantly holding the front of the gun up and it sucks

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Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

netramakin wowwww I love that mp5 look on your a-5,where did you get that stock and mag?

Thanks; both are from OpsGear.  The mag is just an air-through, but its shorter than the SpecOps one and is therefore easier to crawl around with.  You'll hear (read) people on the Marker Gallery saying the SpecOps mag looks too long all the time, too.  The stock gave me some headaches because it lowered my FPS to 220-240 but a set of $10 Maddman springs fixes that.

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

also is that rail you reccomended me the one you have on, and it will for sure hold the tasco red dot sight?

Yes and yes


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that gun does look pretty sweet
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Am I going to need like a raised sight rail or something to be able to see through my tasco red dot?
netramakin, is that stock the 110 dollar one from opsgear? can you see through your sight with your mask on effectiively?

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Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

Am I going to need like a raised sight rail or something to be able to see through my tasco red dot?

Can't say for sure but my brother-in-law has a similar site on an A-5 with an X-7 hopper (slightly smaller profile) and he loses about 1/3 of the field of view without a raised rail but can still see the center with no problem.  I don't use a site too often in paintball, though; only when I have a bead on someone and aren't worrying about my flanks.

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

netramakin, is that stock the 110 dollar one from opsgear?

Yeah, $119 right now

Originally posted by --Red-- --Red-- wrote:

can you see through your sight with your mask on effectiively?

Yeah, but each mask is different (this is my primary) and you shouldn't have to worry about it with a red dot.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote --Red-- Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 April 2007 at 1:42pm
alright so does anyone here really use scopes/red dots when playing woodsball?

Also am I going to need a raised osssetsight rail if im using any stock?
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I've used a Red Dot in the past, and I didn't get much benefit without a stock. I've installed a stock now, but I've yet to play with both a stock and a sight ... but considering the erratic balistics involved, you probably aren't going to get a massive benifit from the sight.  As far as a stock is concerned ... well, I currently can't properly sight my red dot with the stock on ... I've bought an offsight rail (thank you Lapco!) but I still need to get either a new sight or a dovetail to weaver adapter to use it the way I want to.  The mask keeps you from getting an effective 'cheek mold' that is neccecary to sight down the top of your marker.

Btw, Red ... how much paintball have you actually played? If you're new to the sport, there are a few forum threads I would reccomend.

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