Nitro questions

I didn't realize nitro was used in paintball? When did this happen?

Snake6 wrote: I didn't realize nitro was used in paintball? When did this happen?

For a while I think. Look at the link.

http://www.paintballcloseout.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalo g.prodInfo&productID=251&categoryID=81

Ummm.... idiot?

PWNED!

Sorry, I had to .

On to relevant discussion: PSI is a unit of pressure. The higher the tank pressure rating, and therefore pressure you can store inside, the more gas is inside the same volume and therefore the more shots you will get from the same size of tank. 4500 PSI tanks are always fiber-wrap (to my knowledge at least, I've never seen one that's not) whereas 3000 PSI tanks are most often steel or aluminum. 4500 PSI has the advantage of more shots per fill, however the disadvantages of cost and the fact that it may be harder to find a place to fill 4500 PSI (3000 PSI can be filled easily from SCUBA, whereas 4500 PSI always in my experience requires a compressor (though there may be bulk 4500 PSI tanks, I've yet to encounter one). If the field offers free compressed air, and weight is not a concern, I'd go with 3000 PSI for the price decrease. However, if you want a light tank and the most shots from a fill, and cost is a non-issue, go for 4500 PSI.

Wilhelm Schulz wrote: Ilford Rule wrote: 4500 PSI tanks are always fiber-wrap (to my knowledge at least, I've never seen one that's not) whereas 3000 PSI tanks are most often steel or aluminum. Aluminum http://www.specialopspaintball.com/shop/product_detail.asp?S KU=261+0095&CAT=111202

Bwahahahahhahahaha!!! Anyone else get a good laugh out of that link! Jesus, Spec Ops just doesn't even care about the truth anymore do they!

For those who don't want to click. It's a link to a 90/4500 N2 Duck iReg HPA tank.

Here's what they say in their little bullet points:

* Lightweight aluminum body Nitro Duck doesn't even make an "aluminum" tank. The inner core is aluminum like all wrapped HPA tanks, but the exterior is CF wrapping with "Tuff Skin" epoxy coating     * CO2 Threaded Any pre-set is "CO2 Threaded"     * Pressure Consistent Technology Uh, gee, that'd be the function of a reg, you know, that thing ALL HPA tanks have....     * Compact design 90ci tanks are NOT compact. Even a "stubby" version has it's flaws due to the girth of the tank     * Consistent flow Again, see definition of Regulator     * No Loctite - Means the regulator unscrews from the tank for easy air travel, or you can switch to a larger or smaller tank easily. No HPA tanks use loctite. Loctite counteracts the safety measure of the mid-thread blow-off port shoudl the reg ever come unscrewed from the body.     * Dual Burst Disks - HP burst disk prevents over filling     * LP burst disk prevents your gun from being over pressurized All variable output HPA tanks have this feature     * Bleed out safety slot w/ dedicated bleed channel dumps the air in your tank in the event of regulator/tank separation See the "no loctite" comment     * Unified rupture disc standard on every HPA tank     * 450 psi fixed output Not on an iReg. They have various pistons that you can place into the reg to change the output. That's the whole purpose of owning an iReg tank     * Works with any ASA bottomline See CO2 Threaded comment     * Guaranteed adjustable output from 200-900 psi Actually, they go up to 1100psi, but wait, didn't they just claim 450psi fixed output?     * Meets all ASTM standards All tanks must meet this to be allowed to enter DOT testing     * Meets all CGA standards Again, see above     * Comes with wrench Which is used to take the reg apart to put the new piston in... of course, why would you need a wrench if it was fixed output?     * Approximately 1400 shots per fill Using what? A VM-68? Jesus, 90ci at 4500psi, I could get a case and a half off of that with a DMLCD!     * 5-Year hydrotest date     * User serviceable and upgradeable again, whole point of an iReg that they seemed to have forgotten earlier

Wilhelm Schulz, do yourself a favor and please don't go to Spec-Ops and expect to be told the reality of anything. I know it looks flashy, I know they make people feel important with their little code names and whatnot, but they know about as much about real paintball equipment as your grandmother does.

Personally I love the 4500 since they are fiber wrapped.  this makes them much lighter.

Tang wrote: on a side note... 3000 psi tanks: cubic inch x 10 = shot capacity 48 cu {3000psi} = 480 shots on average 4500 psi tanks: cubic inch x 15 = shot capacity 68 cu {4500 psi} = 1020 shots on average hope that helps

This is really only true when running at a 850psi operating pressure. For example, while an 88/4500 tank would get me approximately 1400 shots per tank given the formula. I run a 2001 WGP Black Magic with a Shoctech Rat Valve and AKA matched LP springs giving me an average of almost 2,200 shots per tank with my old AA Armageddon. My new DYE Throttle at 68/4500psi gets me near 1,900 shots per tank at an average chrono rate of 295fps

tallen702 wrote: Bwahahahahhahahaha!!! Anyone else get a good laugh out of that link! Jesus, Spec Ops just doesn't even care about the truth anymore do they!

I Lol'd, Naw Spec Ops just want the money from the people, there might be a few things i might buy from them but...yea a "few".