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    Posted: 13 April 2010 at 7:57am
[livejournal topic]  I don't think I've ever made one of these, so I feel entitled to make at least one.  I tried to put my random musings into a logical, linear order for ease of read, but if I still seem to be jumping around too much, I apologize.

I have come to the realization as of late that I wish I were religious.

Before now, I have been glad that I'm an Atheist.  I thought of myself as enlightened, open-minded and generally more informed than those claiming there is a super-cool dude in the sky who looks out for all of his peeps.  However, due to somewhat recent existential crises of sorts, I actually do wish I had the conviction that I knew what was going to happen to me, that the aforementioned super-cool dude would set me upon the right path and that in the end, everything would work out.

This all started mid-way thought this semester and at first, it was simply Sleepy Carl convincing me not to get up for class (it's actually funny that is what the skit is about.  I remembered it as just Carl convincing him not to get up period, but then I watched the video to post it here and lol'ed).  Eventually Sleepy Carl resorted to less-than-conventional tactics.  Said tactics started after many late-night arguments about religion.  As I lay in my bed before sleep pondering the meaning of life and various other related issues, Sleep Carl was right there taking notes.  Now, a decent percentage of the time when I am supposed to get up and get ready for school, that jerk pops in and reminds me that there is no inherent meaning of life, that as far as the big picture goes, this class will not improve my quality of life and that going to class in general is just taking up time I can be skiing on french-toast-sticks.  This prompts me lay there for a couple of minutes trying to decide what to do and usually I finally decide upon "screw it - I'm going skiing".

When I finally do wake up and reconsider his musings, I see the flaw in at least one of his arguments, of course - class will improve my quality of life by allowing me to get a degree which = more money.  It is then that my overall existential crisis takes over and I remind myself that no, more money does not necessarily = better quality of life, since quality of life is mostly contingent upon happiness and not material belongings.  This does nothing but put that page right back into Carl's book to be used once again at will.

My ongoing existential crisis also affects more than getting up for class in the morning.  It pretty much penetrates every facet of school.  I.e. - why do homework since it won't matter in the end?  To graduate?  Once I graduate, I'm just going to work a 9-5 for 40 years, retire and die.  With that in mind, doing pages upon pages of my capstone economics course homework seems meaningless and pointless.

In other words, I have a new habit of not getting up due to my current existential crisis and when I am up, I don't want to do homework or go to bed on time for the same reason.  It is quite the cycle of neglecting schoolwork.

To tie this all back to name of the topic; I now envy everyone who updates their statues with "<name> knows that God has a purpose for them in life and can't wait to find their calling!" and the like.  It must be nice to think that there is a benevolent force guiding one's life in the best suited path and that no mater what, he will make sure your life has its best possible outcome.  Hence:

I wish I were religious.  [/livejournal]
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I went through this last summer break. Why was I waking up to go to the job which I hate very much? No really, everything bad that's happened to me over the last few years is due to that job. Then one day I just woke up and realized it's a means to an end. Sure, everyone was telling me that, but I never actually accepted that. I've got goals, and I'm working towards them. Now, I can survive my job, and since I'm specifically working towards my goals, I like school now. If you're hating everything you're doing, it may be time for a reevaluation.

What are your goals? And don't think what you should do, but what you want to do. I gave up engineering and architecture (stuff I feel I'm actually very qualified to do) to be a simple machinist. I realized I enjoyed the simple life over the overstressed but well-paid formers. It's not religion, it's outlook.


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I'm religious, though not extremely.

To me, the scariest thing about atheism has always seemed to be the finality of death.  There's just something about the "I/me/myself" in my personality that doesn't accept that it can just disapear.
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Being religious does have its perks I guess. Like feeling that you actually have some kind of purpose instead of being faced with the ultimate meaninglessness of the universe.

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In my opinion, Atheistic life is a life of Why?... That is a struggle that you will deal with forever as there is no answer.

 
Science is your only hope, you must focus on how much smarter you are because you believe in the facts of science, and there is nothing else. Hope is a crutch of the weak minded, one that can be put aside as you realize that you are the only thing that matters in your life. Focusing on the me, now and here, are the true ideals of atheists in their hearts.
 
 
But, that tug that comes from God and forces you to question all of this is normal, as He desires a relationship with every one of His Creations. We all question why we are here, and what does this life mean. And those questions always go back to God. (or further drive us away from him...)
 
It is perfectly normal for you to be thinking this way, as you have been indoctrinated (secular world view) to believe in science alone. Personally, I think science is the method that God put in place to drive us to a knowledge of Him. (Christian world view)
 
Lets look at that for a minute.
 
Life comes from life. We all know that to be true, and yet when we use a atheistic approach to how the world started, this is a serious problem.
 
Yet, if we look at it from a God perspective, it makes perfect sense.
 
We have natural laws, (science) which we see daily, these are the laws of science, which we can test and measure.
 
Then we have supernatural laws, (God) this is a different category, not able to be tested and measured, as they are examples of the power of God.
 
Creation of our world, each of us having a soul, the size of space, ect.
 
Many atheists believe in this stuff, but they have different names for this. Look at the way they believe in UFO's and other supernatural experiences. They can't explain them, but many believe this is where our life on earth came from...
 
So it is the same belief just putting a different god in place to base their trust.
 
 
Think about a pink elephant.
 
Do you have the picture in your mind? Is the trunk up or down? And what color pink is it?
 
Now, if we take our best scientists, can they view what you are seeing?
 
Nope.
 
Can the best brain surgeon cut your head open and divide your brain and that pink elephant will be in there?
 
Nope.
 
Does the fact that only you know what that pink elephant looks like matter...
 
If we just evolved, and this is it... Then no, it doesn't matter, as it is just a manipulation from your DNA causing you to think this, and your only goal should be to reproduce as many pink thinking elephant people as you can in your life...
 
 
Or God Created you in a way to think, and the fact that you can ponder things like this is to draw you closer to the supernatural being that Created you in His image, for the glory of Him.
 
 
 

Psalm 19

A psalm of David.
 1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
       the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

 2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
       night after night they display knowledge.

 3 There is no speech or language
       where their voice is not heard. a]'>[a]

 4 Their voice b]'>[b] goes out into all the earth,
       their words to the ends of the world.
       In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun,

 5 which is like a bridegroom coming forth from his pavilion,
       like a champion rejoicing to run his course.

 6 It rises at one end of the heavens
       and makes its circuit to the other;
       nothing is hidden from its heat.

 7 The law of the LORD is perfect,
       reviving the soul.
       The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy,
       making wise the simple.

 8 The precepts of the LORD are right,
       giving joy to the heart.
       The commands of the LORD are radiant,
       giving light to the eyes.

 9 The fear of the LORD is pure,
       enduring forever.
       The ordinances of the LORD are sure
       and altogether righteous.

 10 They are more precious than gold,
       than much pure gold;
       they are sweeter than honey,
       than honey from the comb.

 11 By them is your servant warned;
       in keeping them there is great reward.

 12 Who can discern his errors?
       Forgive my hidden faults.

 13 Keep your servant also from willful sins;
       may they not rule over me.
       Then will I be blameless,
       innocent of great transgression.

 14 May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
       be pleasing in your sight,
       O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.

 
 
The NYT had an interesting article on this exact topic today... weird?. I think not.
 


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What you need is a hot girl who wants:

1 - You
2 - Shelter
3 - Your babies
4 - Food for her slightly fatter self and her babies
5 - Gobs of useless crap that only money, which is painfully extracted from crushing your soul in ceasless toil while waiting for the sweet release of death, can provide.

See, life is easy. Besides, no matter how hard you try or how much you worry, no one gets out of here alive.

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Originally posted by JohnnyHopper JohnnyHopper wrote:

What you need a hot girl who wants:

1 - You
2 - Shelter
3 - Your babies
4 - Food for her slightly fatter self and her babies
5 - Gobs of useless crap that only money, which is painfully extracted from crushing your soul in ceasless toil while waiting for the sweet release of death, can provide.

See, life is easy. Besides, no matter how hard you try or how much you worry, no one gets out of here alive.

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Sounds like you may actually be dealing with depression and/or school burnout.
 
 
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You're blaming being lazy and not wanting to do homework on your existential crisis? Or....discipline?
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

In my opinion, Atheistic life is a life of Why?... That is a struggle that you will deal with forever as there is no answer.



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I, for one, believe in Darwinism and God. Go me!
 
Oddly enough, Darwin was an extremely religious man.
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Originally posted by SSOK SSOK wrote:

I, for one, believe in Darwinism and God. Go me!
 
Oddly enough, Darwin was an extremely religious man.
At first yes. He was actually in training to become a member of the clergy when he made his trip on the Beagle. He slowly lost his religiousness however. He did try and keep it rather low key until much later on in his life because his wife was a very devoutly religious woman.
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It sounds like you dont like your school.

Even if I was atheist I get joy and improve my quality of life just learning new things everyday. Its exciting and I love it. Maybe economics doesn't interest you and you went into it for the wrong reasons.
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Find a copy a "Man's Search for Meaning" by Viktor Frankl and read it, it touches on a lot of the feelings you're talking about. Very famous book.
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Think of it this way: Having the ability to finish your program and get your degree may set you up for a better job in the future. Having a better job may set you up for being better able to enjoy your liesure activities. Sure it doesn't really matter in the end, but sadly we need money (well, most of us) to live, and if something you enjoy is skiing, money generally makes that more achievable.

Would you like to be able to hit the alps some day and just take it all in from the top of the hill? You'll be more likely to do so if you can manage to afford the airfare.

That said, theres nothing wrong with skipping the occasional class for a powder day, you have to stay sane, and you need to have some fun. Enjoy what you have, not what you don't. Realize what sort of position you're in: By even being a student in post secondary school you're better off than MANY people. Appreciate that and all that has come with it. Homework is a small price to pay for the people you've met and experiences you've had. They're forming who you are.
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That's why I love philosophy. Aristotle in particular had some interesting view on the existence of man.

I've never really felt that I need to explain my own existence. Like someone else said, it's the afterlife that really gets to me. 
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Sounds like you may actually be dealing with depression and/or school burnout.


Depression, maybe.  Burnout, probably.  I've been in school for ~ 16 years straight.  Perhaps I am using my beliefs to rationalize my college senioritis.

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

You're blaming being lazy and not wanting to do homework on your existential crisis? Or....discipline?


Yep.  I would be the first to call it laziness if my thought process went something like "I should do 'x', however, 'x' is boring, therefore I will slack off instead", rather than something like "I should do 'x', which will pay off somewhat in the short-run, much more so in the long-run, but in the extreme long-run it won't matter if I do it at all so why bother?"

Originally posted by FROG MAN FROG MAN wrote:

It sounds like you dont like your school.

Even if I was atheist I get joy and improve my quality of life just learning new things everyday. Its exciting and I love it. Maybe economics doesn't interest you and you went into it for the wrong reasons.


Econ is one of the only things that I have actually enjoyed doing in college.  While I enjoy it and learn new things almost every day, it has no impact on my quality of life.

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Think of it this way: Having the ability to finish your program and get your degree may set you up for a better job in the future. Having a better job may set you up for being better able to enjoy your liesure activities. Sure it doesn't really matter in the end, but sadly we need money (well, most of us) to live, and if something you enjoy is skiing, money generally makes that more achievable.

Would you like to be able to hit the alps some day and just take it all in from the top of the hill? You'll be more likely to do so if you can manage to afford the airfare.

That said, theres nothing wrong with skipping the occasional class for a powder day, you have to stay sane, and you need to have some fun. Enjoy what you have, not what you don't. Realize what sort of position you're in: By even being a student in post secondary school you're better off than MANY people. Appreciate that and all that has come with it. Homework is a small price to pay for the people you've met and experiences you've had. They're forming who you are.


I have thought of it that way, that is how I've made it this far.  I realize that more money = more games, guns and girls, but when the overall meaning of life comes into play, games guns and girls seem like extraneous wants, rather than needs that directly affect me in the end.

This may also be a problem I have with reaching for long-term goals.  For instance, I would very much love a Maserati.  Therefore the logical path should take is to do as well as possible in undergrad, go to grad school, get awesome job, get car.  However, it's just so far away and depends on too many variables, so if I think "homework", the last thing on my mind is "Maserati".
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