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    Posted: 21 July 2004 at 1:42pm
I seriously dont see a diff when running an LP kit...

whats this hype about? low pressure doesnt nescessarily mean nything, and besides a quieter gun and a cocking knob hitting my face after every other shot, i dont see whats so good about this lpk...

well theres $120 down the drain.
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lpk for what gun?
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Originally posted by TippmanRULES TippmanRULES wrote:

I seriously dont see a diff when running an LP kit...

whats this hype about? low pressure doesnt nescessarily mean nything, and besides a quieter gun and a cocking knob hitting my face after every other shot, i dont see whats so good about this lpk...

well theres $120 down the drain.

Me nether but they sound cool and look cool. That's two things on LP's side.

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LP does not and can not, by itself, improve range, accuracy, consistency or gas efficiency. Look at a Phantom - 50 shots per 12-gram and amazing accuracy, but that 12-gram puts out better than 800 psi on a warm day.

"Low Pressure" is a *result*, not a goal. It's a *side effect*. You do NOT modify your gun simply to get the operating pressure down. You modify your gun for better *efficiency*, which, in turn, allows you to lower the operating pressure. Or rather, requires you to in order to keep the velocity legal.

The goal here is to "improve efficiency" not just "lower pressure".

And as far as efficiency is concerned, tuning is the key. All you have to do is take the time and thought to experiment.
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So he spent $120 on efficiency? I still dont think its worth it.
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Most stuff about low pressure helping is not proven, but you do notice alot less barrel breaks once getting it, not worth it IMO but oh well.
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i like it it makes it look alot different from a stock tippmann i think it shots alot better my opion
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hell no... i didnt buy the lpk to "lower" the pressure... i thought the effects were much better than what i got.

bah, i wish i stayed HP... its not worth the extra 200 shots i saved... and i agree, $120 for efficiency? pfft.
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Originally posted by TippmanRULES TippmanRULES wrote:

hell no... i didnt buy the lpk to "lower" the pressure... i thought the effects were much better than what i got.

bah, i wish i stayed HP... its not worth the extra 200 shots i saved... and i agree, $120 for efficiency? pfft.

It seems like you are...frustrated. I don't see why, you were the one that made the purchase. You should have done a bit more research before buying into hype (no pun on the "hype"). Perhaps next time you will learn more about the product before you spend the money? An expensive lesson. Just be glad it wasn't having your bumper torn off because instead of reading the directions and attaching the winch to the frame, they put it on the bump and tore it off. 

 

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what kind of analogy is that? something you pulled out of your butt?

what do you mean i didnt do research, i read up on everything, even considered to make my own. and i read how horribly the V/A was designed which starved your marker... i even ported it for more air flow. tippmann made it sound too good... it is HYPE.

im not pleased with this upgrade at all.

yes im frustrated... i thought the rear cocking thing didnt come back that far... its like a freaking turd popping out every shot and hitting my mask.

either way, ill be ebaying the lpkit for 20 dollars and letting somebody else have fun with it.



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Originally posted by TippmanRULES TippmanRULES wrote:

hell no... i didnt buy the lpk to "lower" the pressure... i thought the effects were much better than what i got.

bah, i wish i stayed HP... its not worth the extra 200 shots i saved... and i agree, $120 for efficiency? pfft.


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lol y dont u guys read up on it. Never did it say it will increase accuracy. All low pressure does is increase gas eff., reduce recoil, reduce noise of your gun, and less wear on your internals. Which is worth it in my opinion.

Reviews may be harsh,But all IMO,so dont get offended.I just say what I think of your gun.You posted it for review rite?
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i never said i was pissed cause there was no accuracy improvement...

there are improvements, but not worth the 120.
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That's all really a matter of opinion. Some of us think it's worth the cost. Paintball isn't really about money (unless you have none, in which case, shouldn't you be saving your money?).

And if you had been doing the research like you said you did, surely you would have came across several of my posts that lists the benefits of the low pressure kit and the advice that it is up to the player to decide whether or not the low pressure kit is worth the purchase.

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i guess i was kinda pissed cause this money coulda been spent on my timmy.
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Again it all boils down to funds and what you feel is right for you. But like Stallion said it will reduce recoil , noise and wear and tear on your internals. Plus ever sweet spot your response and have the gun "freeze"-pressure increase, then start slinging paint like a wagner power sprayer ? Thats not gonna happen with compressed air or nitro, because unlike co2 they're they're more stabil hence better shot to shot consistancy. If you break a ball w/ the LPK it's usually because you've got shmeg or somthin in the barrel / you chopped the ball because your not feeding as fast as your shooting, or the usual, the person didn't take the time to dial the marker in properly and as a result pressure is high and velocity is turned up.  I've had mine for a long time now w/ no problems. Look at what most tourney teams and playas use . As for that LPK for $20, dude ill give you $40 for it set up all the shipping and costs just PM me if your serious.

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hmm he said he doesnt like his LPK so how does sweet spotting and HPA have anything to do with his LPK? and if you had a regulator you shouldn't see a great difference in pressure increase

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Haha, the hype machine claims another.

Ive been saying for a long time, running HPA, low pressure is a waste of time.

It doesnt deliver half the crap LP is always hyped up to be. Same with venturi bolts, porting, closed bolt, etc etc.

Lowering pressure only has a good benefit for co2, since lowering pressure will cause the liquid co2 to boil off to gas.

If you actually care, you should listen to maroon out, he knows exactly what hes talking about.

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Originally posted by maroon out maroon out wrote:

LP does not and can not, by itself, improve range, accuracy, consistency or gas efficiency. Look at a Phantom - 50 shots per 12-gram and amazing accuracy, but that 12-gram puts out better than 800 psi on a warm day.

"Low Pressure" is a *result*, not a goal. It's a *side effect*. You do NOT modify your gun simply to get the operating pressure down. You modify your gun for better *efficiency*, which, in turn, allows you to lower the operating pressure. Or rather, requires you to in order to keep the velocity legal.

The goal here is to "improve efficiency" not just "lower pressure".

And as far as efficiency is concerned, tuning is the key. All you have to do is take the time and thought to experiment.

Nice copy-paste job from Doc's FAQ

I'm not sure if this is plagerism, but you def did not give credit where credit is due.

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