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benttwig33 
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ok so here is how it is...
if anyone has seen at model98.net i have my own rubberband mod there(mods under viewer submitted mods) im experimenting, my mod makes the pull very light but i also have the clicky pen mod... i have had my pull lighter than it is now and it isnt right, so anyone know what kind of springs or anything would make it the overall lightest?(length and stuff like that.) i need help with ym experiments thanks! 
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Posted: 19 August 2004 at 7:24pm |
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You could make a trigger stop to keep the length to a minimum. When it comes to the trigger return spring why not just take it out. The sear is what is doing all of the trigger reseting so there is no need for it.
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benttwig33
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Posted: 19 August 2004 at 7:27pm |
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dude you dont know what your talking about.
1.TRIGGER STOPS DO NOT WORK WELL ON MECHANICAL GUNS i dont see what people dont get, it will only slow oyu down, down beleive me? go try it yourself. 2.the sear does not reset the trigger, the TRIGGER RETURN SPRING does the returning. 3. the sear spring is what resets the sear. now please post if you know what all about springs and stuff i want opinions from others experienced with trigger mods. Edited by benttwig33 |
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Sig is WAY too big.
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Posted: 19 August 2004 at 8:42pm |
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i have to disagree a trigger stop does help and wont slow u down, yes i have one
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Posted: 19 August 2004 at 9:00pm |
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dude if you can make the trigger pull lighter you would be my hero
 i will play around with my marker and see it i can't make the trigger pull lighter.Edited by Die-Trying |
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warbeak2099
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Posted: 19 August 2004 at 9:12pm |
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I have a trigger stop on my mech mag. It really helps reduce trigger slop. All it does is prevent you from pulling the trigger any farther back than you need. Doing that will let you shoot faster whether the gun is mech or electro.
Oh, and yes the sear does reset the trigger. You don't need the trigger spring. Take out the trigger spring and reassemble the gun. The trigger will still set after each shot. Now here's a concept for reducing trigger pull on a 98 or any tippmann for that matter. Make the trigger pneumatic. Just like the HAIR trigger or the Punishers Customs pneumag mod for AutoMags. Here's what it would entail: Instead of the trigger tripping the sear, a pneumatic ram would. The section of the trigger that the sear comes in contact with would be removed. Instead, the trigger would actuate a reverse 3-way when pulled. The 3-way would be seated behind the trigger and when the trigger is pulled, the 3-way valve would open and send gas to the ram. The ram would then trip the sear. Of course there would be an lpr to regulate gas going into the 3-way also. The reason this would be lighter is it would take less force to open the 3-way valve than to push back on the sear. This system would be similar to the old electronic sear tripper kit for the M98. But instead of a microswitch/board controlling the solenoid/plunger, a 3-way would control the ram. With extensive modification and the right parts I bet it could work... |
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Posted: 20 August 2004 at 8:11am |
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WRONG! The less time you waste on pulling the trigger after it has released the sear, the faster you can shoot. Think of it this way, if you are running the 100M dash, and you decide to start 10M back your going to lose to someone who is just as fast as you.
WRONG AGAIN! I DO NOT have a trigger return spring and my trigger resets just as fast as your gun. Think about it again, the sear rests on the back of the trigger. The sear is pushed back by the rear bolt by the rear spring, so thus the sear would have to push the trigger back to its initial position as well. Study the Tippmann internals better and you will see that.
You are correct here. If your sear spring is too light, your sear won't reset fast enough and you will get stutters in firing. Don't think I know what I am talking about, try this. My trigger pull on a fully unassisted mechanical Tippmann 98C is 6 ounces and I can shoot it 13bps. The trick to a lighter trigger pull is to reduce the amount of pull weight required to release the sear while keeping the pull distance as short as possible. I acheived this by some sear reshaping and some spring reworking. Play around and you can get it. Edited by SnakeEyes |
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warbeak2099
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Posted: 20 August 2004 at 9:33am |
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How did you get it to 6 ounces? The average weight of an electro pull is 4-5oz. Did you actually measure it or are you just guessing?
And no one comments on my pnuematic idea??? I'm hurt... |
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Posted: 20 August 2004 at 9:51am |
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I measured the pull using a fish scale. Granted I know it's not horribly accurate, but it still gives a pretty good reading.
I am actually still thinking about your pneumatic idea. Quite interesting. That sounds like something right up my alley and keeping with my wish to not have anything other than my hopper with a battery in it. I bet I could pull it off. Gimme some time, and we will see. |
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Posted: 20 August 2004 at 10:17am |
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warbreak 2099- here's a comment on your idea- so you'd have to run another air supply line through the gun? I don't think thats worth the work because opneing a valve would also require a certain amount of force on the trigger, so you'd be in the same boat. The E-grip (electronic) just makes contact with a metal tab the closes the circuit, requiring very very little force. The only thing there is the spring- give it the clicky pen, and it would screw it up more than help because it needs something to reset it. Notice how the stock trigger has a small spring under a metal plate- the E-grip trigger does not.
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Posted: 20 August 2004 at 10:23am |
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I don't think you understood when you read my idea. Opening the 3-way would require less force than pushing back on the sear. Depending on the 3-way you can get the pull down to around 4-6oz. The Deadly Wind HAIR pneu system is 2-4oz. They might have done something extra though.
And no there would only be one air supply. Just like on an ebolt there would be an lpr connected to the asa. I'm not saying it would be better than the egrip. The advantage is, no batteries. And for the last time my name isn't Warbreak2099 is Warbeak2099. There's no "r" after the b. |
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Posted: 20 August 2004 at 10:29am |
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Already ahead of you on the idea Warbeak.
 It's about halfway done, as of right now. Just have to order a ram from Clippard with a really short throw, mount it, and it'll be pretty much done.
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Posted: 20 August 2004 at 12:27pm |
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Sounds good maroon. Let us know how it works out for you.
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Cool maroon! What kind of 3-way did you use? It had to be one with an actuating rod that needs to be pushed in instead of pulled out right? After you're done please post pics. That sounds awesome. I've got other questions but I'll wait till you're done. Even if it doesn't work/doesn't work well please make another post in the gallery with pics and info!!!
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Posted: 20 August 2004 at 2:13pm |
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Trigger stops do affect your rof depending on your finger speed. and hes right take your return spring out, it'll reset itself due to the sear. so actually bentwig, you dunno what you are talking about.
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Posted: 20 August 2004 at 2:24pm |
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Lol, I don't even know what kind of 3-way it is, I bought it for $5. I'm pretty sure that with the adjustment collar, you could make it a pull or push 3-way (you'd also have to switch the hoses). I'll be sure to post pics, and maybe even a video if I can get a hold of a digital video camera. Edited by maroon out |
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Oh, ok. So you just need to adjust a 3-way and make it a push. Wait, you said you're pretty sure. Does that mean you haven't done it yet? I thought you had already done the mod and you just needed a ram. Have you mounted the 3-way yet?
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Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:13pm |
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The LPR and 3-way are mounted, I just haven't put in the actuating rod and collar and tried to time it yet.
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Posted: 20 August 2004 at 4:04pm |
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yah, just switch the 3way hoes to switch from push to pull....
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