Flatline in trouble

what a great post - thanks for the great *facts*  How does it put your tippy (if you have one) to shame - share some facts.

So its a Warsensor wit the hop up barrel, whoopie!

But remember this, there isnt much upgardes fer it, except maintaining it.

are there any "performance" upgrades(besides the barrel and regulator) you can get... instead of useless stuff that you'll never use that just add weight to the marker?

why do you need 3 spotting devices? kinda seems like needless overkill.

fishsticks wrote: why do you need 3 spotting devices? kinda seems like needless overkill.

Maybe its because hes a 3 eyed alien

Edited by evil_fingers

Well, the barrel is already perfect for the marker, no need to update that.  The bolt is upgraded, it is a composite affair.  There is a regulator on the marker as well, also a performance upgrade.  There is also an E-trigger available for the marker that I have not gotten and more likely won't as it isn't necessary for the kinds of games I play with this marker. I haven't tried messing with the valve yet since it works well for what I use it for.

And as for all that being useless, well it just depends on what you play I guess.  In the scenario games I play or out in the woods, I use all that stuff.  The scope is for scouting and some aiming duties (but very rarely), the red dot is what I mainly aim with when given the time, and as I said before (but apparently was overlooked) the laser is mainly there for the looks.  R.I.S. makes the marker easier to carry and a bit more robust.  Bi-pod is useful during my scouting excursions as it reduces fatigue.  I have had games where I've used all three.  And, as usual, I'm sure all of you making comments on this have TRIED this and thus are basing your opinions on first hand experiance, right?

If I'm playing more of a speedball game, I use this...

A realatively new marker but they are working on bringing out some upgrades for it like composite bolts, bottomline, e-trigger, barrels, et all.  It still feels long to me for speedball so a collapsible stock will also be going on there to shorten it up.

Edited by Robotech

This is absolutely true but that comment was not directed toward the weight of the marker, rather that the items that have been added were useless. My apologies for not clarifying that.

No, this sucker weighs in at well over 10 pounds.  However, hence the sling and I'm not exactly what you'd call a small guy.  The weight isn't so much of an issue for me and how I play.  When I play a style of game where I need a lighter weight marker, that is when I bring out that other maker.  I know there are markers out there lighter than it's 4 lbs, but after carrying that WS-66 around the 4 lbs feels like 4 oz. LOL 

I don't want to make this into a "My marker is better than your marker" kind of thread, just wanted to post my experiance with this marker. It certainly isn't for everyone and has its own specialized niche in the sport of paintball.

Edited by Robotech

CSestp, I don't know where the anger comes from...but take it easy man.  You're posts are kind of hard to read and while he may have been uhhhmmmm...a bit patronizing by his post he has a point. 

Also, from what I've seen and experianced the WS-66 has range EQUAL to the Flatline, not almost and yes, it does maintain its accuracy that far out. 

However, you also pay for this increased accuracy at range as well and as was mentioned before, the WS-66 isn't for everyone.  Hence why I really don't think Tippmann and the Flatline have much to worry about.  It's kind of like saying Ford's Taurus is in trouble because a Ferrari is faster...a Ferrari isn't for everyone.

oh well your still an ass.  j/king yaya i cant spell never have never will good point by Robotech as well and by in trouble not meaning in sales im talking about on the field.  sry for the anger issue im an @ss as well. what can i say.  but the point was made i hope.  this message is for people like me for who love the flat line, but are ready to step up to a diffrent level of a gun in which i truly belive this gun is that. no the gun is not for everyone and tippmanns are very good for people who are just getting into paintball, or the weekend warrior or simpley someone who doesnt have the budget.  sorry for the additude.

Great post CSestp...takes a big person to back down like that.  I can't spell to save my life either (and was a history major in school to boot).  The spell check on here is pretty easy to use once you download it and it makes a world of difference when you post.  One click, change a few letters, and viola!

Oldschool...I'd almost be willing to bet $10 that the people who told you these markers shoot no better than cheap Spyder clones have never shot one.  At best, they shot the VERY early production WG-65s which did have some teething issues.  Those issues have since been resolved.  The Ariakon line is very different from the Armotech/Warsensor line.  It is just all three are replicas of the real deal so they will look alike.  However, I'll try to explain.

Ariakon use to be the US distributor for Armotech.net, the parent company of Armotech.us.  Ariakon did business under the URL Armotech.com.  When Armotech.net, the parent company, decided to change US distributors, Ariakon needed to produce a product to stay in business, the SIM-4. 

Now, I won't go into the lawsuit stuff but suffice to say that the WG-65 is an Armotech product, the SIM-4 is a Ariakon product, and the WS-66 is a Warsensor product.  To me, the WG-65 is the outdated marker and the marker that the SIM-4 and WS-66 both evolved from. 

The SIM-4 is a very different design and if you want to see how different, check out their site.  The SIM-4 uses different barrel threads, internals, and the receiver is completely different as well.  One nice thing about the SIM-4 is that the cocking mechanism is enclosed keeping it safe from dirt.  The WG-65 is not. 

The WS-66 is an evolution of the WG-65.  Like the SIM-4 the WS series has an enclosed cocking mechanism. It also comes with the simulated clip and bottom line, something that is extra on the WG series and non-existent for the SIM series (the clip kit that is, the bottom line is available).  In addition, it features the hop up barrel which, as has been mentioned, gives you distance on par with a Flatline but with improved accuracy. As far as Warsensor's relation to Armotech, they are and yet are not the same company.  They are sister companies.  The owner of Warsensor is the Brother of the owner of Armotech.  Hence why they share a lot of technology. 

As for them being cheap, poor shooting Spyder clones...not true.  My WS, with a Palmer Reg and shooting Chronic paint, is VERY accurate.  I have been in games and have been approached afterward about how straight the marker shoots.  In one game, I had someone hiding behind an elevated building about 175 feet away (we were on opposite ends of Iraq, a field out at SC Village here in So. Cal).  I could see his feet so I knew when he was walking toward one side of the building or the other.  I'd start firing to time it so that the balls would arrive just as he started to come around the corner.  Those rounds, 175 feet away, were flying within 6" of the side of that building shot after shot after shot.  That game I provided cover fire and direction for that entire side of the field.  And yes, during that game I dueled with Flatlines on the other side of that field...that's how I know the WS is on par with their range. The difference was I was in the open and not driven to cover by their fire as they were by mine...whether this is the marker or the shooter I don't know. 

If you pick up one of these markers you will be very happy with it.  Very rarely do you see a WS up on e-bay that is used.  All the ones that I see on there are new ones being sold by dealers. If you check the Ariakon or Armotech forums you'll see a lot of Tippmann owners that have switched over to the WS/WG/SIM markers and they can tell you better than I what they think of them.  Also, on the Ariakon forum there is a great comparison one of the members did between the 98, A-5 and SIM-4. 

Also, for reliability, my WS has never let me down except for one time when I did a stupid thing to it by trying to modify the valve pin (hey, live and learn right?).  Also, through about 8,000 + rounds (currently on my 5th case) I have only broken three balls...one when the detent wasn't properly set and twice more when I started to run out of air and the marker did it's little BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPP thing.  That was within the first case of paint.  In the last three + cases, not a single break.

I know this is a little long winded, but I hope I covered this pretty well.  Again, these markers are not for everyone and if you are just starting out in Paintball the Tippmanns make a GREAT first marker...nothing is as easy to maintain as a Tippmann.  But with a little TLC (it is pretty easy to care for these markers and it is something you SHOULD do, even with a Tippmann) these are very reliable markers that perform very well.

Edited by Robotech

The marker that you see at the beginning of this thread is about that...$490.

The standard WS-66 without the scope and all is around the $440 mark.

A SIM-4 is about the same.

A SIM-15, which is a stripped down version of the SIM-4 but shares the same design characteristics, is about $265.