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    Posted: 22 November 2004 at 8:37am

Moan, As if there aren’t enough problems to deal with.

 

The wife said that although her husband remained furious about the cross-burning, she felt that discussing the incident could help to prevent a recurrence.

 

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Bunch of mask wearing pansies who can't even stand in the open for what they supposedly believe. They don't even rate.

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Originally posted by reifidom reifidom wrote:

Bunch of mask wearing pansies who can't even stand in the open for what they supposedly believe. They don't even rate.


<>  That is exactly right.  All of a sudden you have something in common with Mimount Bousakla (Muslim) age 32.  She is also critical of extremists.

  The difference she has gone into hiding for saying so. I doubt you are going to need to do the same. 

  This is what the leftist (BadSmitt's) of this forum don't get; places like Iraq (pre-democracy, pre-rule of law without security ie; police) don't offer any protections to critics. Criticism is silenced, if you want to stop extremists, democracy is your best long term solution. 

Democracy gives voice to the critics of extremism.

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I see acts like this as thinly veiled threats and not even the first amendment protects threats. On another forum where this was brought up there is a woman arguing that they should be allowed to burn their crosses on people's lawns because she sees it the same as religious right. She also hopes that my refusal to accept that gets me a burning cross on my lawn too, because I guess that would make her right and justify their hate and ignorance towards other races. I don't see how religion plays into it at all. Politics aside, this is just wrong.

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Originally posted by reifidom reifidom wrote:

I see acts like this as thinly veiled threats and not even the first amendment protects threats. On another forum where this was brought up there is a woman arguing that they should be allowed to burn their crosses on people's lawns because she sees it the same as religious right. She also hopes that my refusal to accept that gets me a burning cross on my lawn too, because I guess that would make her right and justify their hate and ignorance towards other races. I don't see how religion plays into it at all. Politics aside, this is just wrong.


  Yeah, I agree it is just wrong and fortunately it is not politically correct to defend these kkk rats in the U.S. anymore.

  You do agree with my points about democracy enabling people to critise extremists by giving critics more protections to do so?




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Allowing for the widest variety of opinions to be voiced while protecting all of society's members is the ideal situation. Unfortunately, we as human beings are not that good at it.

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Originally posted by reifidom reifidom wrote:

Allowing for the widest variety of opinions to be voiced while protecting all of society's members is the ideal situation. Unfortunately, we as human beings are not that good at it.


 yeap, well said.
   I know its been said a million times, "but I can't think of anything better then democracy."

  anyhow, have to get back to work.
Have a good day.
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 I am from Louisiana, and my great great uncle was in KKK, and even I disagree with them.  At first, theyy started helping women who lost their husbands in the civil war, but somewhere along the line they started trying to influence laws and instilling fear into black by killing them infront of their own houses.  The masks were to hide their identity because they were huge and respected member of the community.  Then KKK just flat out turned into an anti-black group that hung blacks just 'cause.  Now they are just an anti-black and also anti "anyone who isn't from America", which is rediculous because there are no true "Native Americans".  The only true "native" people are belived to be the first humans in africa or the middle east.
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Are you all familiar with Emmitt Till? If not, go take a look around the internet. We saw a movie about him in history and they showed him in his open casket. They left him just as he was, beaten and mutilated, so people would see the result of hate. All he did was whistle at a white woman.

We've come a long way, but we have a long way to go.

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 Thats pretty messed up, but are you sure that it is the whole story.  He might have said "I can whistle at your **** *** woman if I want so get the **** outa my ****** ******* face before I whoop your ****** ******* arse." But I doubt he said that.  I fell sorry that people did that a while back.  I saw a shirt one day that made a whole lot of sense, and was really funny IMO, but I'm not trying to be racist so just think of the true/humorous side.  It said "If we knew they was gonna be this much trouble, we'd have picked our own cotton."  But in reality, we made the trouble ourselves (whites).

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No, I'm pretty sure he just whistled at her. At that time it was enough. They pulled him out of his bed to take him and do that to him. The men were just recently formally found to be guilty, but sadly it was just weeks after Emmitt's mother passed away.

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 yeah it's pretty sad.  It sucks that people were like that, but even here in the deep south, I can't think of a single person today that would do that, and I know some pretty racist people.  Saddly, black people are not affraid to be racist down here, like the white people are.  They will turn everything into a racial issue.  Recently there was an NAACP protest at McDonalds because a white manager was hired and she fired one black person becasue she was realy lazy and didn't do her job.  So now it is sorta the other way around, just not as extreme.  The NAACP is really active (for no reason IMO) and there is a lot of anti-white feelings by the people in that group.  Even sadder, members of this radical NAACP divison are my teachers and even my Vice Principal.  White kids are suspened immediatly for the smallest things (such as being in a fight but not throwing any punches, Ill explain at the bottom.) yet black kids can go around calling their sisters whores and causeing a huge ordeal, and all he said was "don't say that again."

 As I was saying about the fights, a white boy that is my brother's age (17) was in the luch room standing in line with his friends.  He said "I'm gonna tear up some of that watermelon," and, accidentaly,  some spit came out of his mouth and got on this black kids neck who has already been busted for weed at school.  The kid got all pissed off and the white kid said "You'll be alright." 

 Well, as soon as the white kid was walking out of the lunchroom after eating lunch, he was hit across the face.  He never saw it comming.  The black kid had hit him and ran away after throwing the one hit.  The white kid was pretty pissed, so he threw his water bottle ate him and hit him in the back.

 When the whitnesses were called into the office, only black kids who were friends of the one who hit him (and all potheads) were called in. There were plenty of whitnesses who weren't friends of the black kid, both white and black, but none were called in. So some of the white kids friends who were there to see it went to the office in his deffense on their own.  The white kid was suspended for 3 days for "involuntarily instigating" the fight.  3 days was the same as the black kid. Ohh, and by the way, the black kid refused to go to the office, and the teacer on duty (another NAACP member) didn't make him go to the office, instead, he talked to him for a while, then sat down, then made im go about 10 minutes and 4 calls over the PA later.

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While there certainly is much black/white racism out there, don't be fooled into thinking that there isn't also loads of white/black racism...

Sometimes it is just harder to see because you are in the middle of it.  Some examples from my personal life: 

White guy in Southern Mizzourah tells friends and family he is getting married.  One family friend, knowing something about the groom's acquaintances, has only one thing to say:  "She's not black, is she?  I ain't coming to the wedding if she's black."

Black woman in Houston shopping at Wal-Mart with her very white-looking daughter.  She is challenged by a complete stranger with "what are you doing with that white child?!"

White men who consistently refer to rap as "**edited**er noise" and low-end crap work as "**edited**er work".

The thing about racism is that you ALWAYS notice when it is directed at you.  It is much harder to see, unless it involves a beat-down, when it is not directed at you.

EDIT - I guess it was too much to hope that the filter would let that go...    :/



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 Well, I notice that alot about the N-music, but when you think about it, the N word is always in that music.  It's wrong to call it that, but thats not a real big issue.  What really pisses me off is when one race does physical discremination against someone, like a white person not giving a black person a job, or a black person tries to make everything racial and gets to taking things to court and makes stupid protests.  Also, black people do the exact same things to white people as you described, Clark.  They call rock "Cracker Music" (I know black people who call it that, just like I know white people who call rap N music".

 However, my point is that it is a lot worse to the white people here.  You'd have to live hear to even belive me.



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Originally posted by new002 new002 wrote:


Yeah, I agree it is just wrong and fortunately it is
not politically correct to defend these kkk rats in the
anymore.

You do agree with my points about democracy enabling people to critise extremists by giving critics more protections to do so?


Whoah whoah. I missed this the first time I read through this thread. While it is not legal to burn a cross on someone else's lawn because it is considered a hate crime and vandalism. I see nothing wrong with someone burning a cross on their own lawn to make a statement. The KKK and all the other extremest in America have the right to voice their opinion. If this were to ever change I would be sorely dissapointed with the Supreme Court and government. It is called Free Speech! And it is prefectally PC to stand up for these groups, they have every right to say what they say. Just because it is not the popular or even correct opinion, it is allowed to be voiced.

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Exactly. While I don't care for what they say, they have the right to say it. We must protect that right of theirs, but we also must protect others, so burning a cross on somebody elses lawn is a national no-no.

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Burning a cross in someone else's lawn is seen as a threat, inciting violence. That is one main reason it is illegal. If those idiots want to burn a cross on their lawn, then it's up to them.

New002, once again you have to attack "leftists." If you want to complain about the article you posted, do so and lay off attacking liberals for a while.

It is very offensive to call it N-music. Racism is a two way street and should always be looked at in that way.

Anyways, the KKK have their rights, regardless of whether or not you disagree with them. They can say what they want, but if they threaten violence, it's illegal.

 



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so hades we need to respect their rights? so that means I can put up a huge sign on my front lawn saying kill the Jews and thats ok because it's my opinion? I don't think so. They have no right to be burning crosses just as I have no right to put a mural on my house saying kill the jews. I think it has to do with their neighbors view, you can't have somthing offensive near someones house. Like you can't play super loud music in an apartement.

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You can infact put that sign on your front lawn. You cant play loud music because that invades your neighbors space...

     
disturbing the peace:
n. upsetting the quiet and good order particularly through loud noise, by fighting or other unsocial behavior which frightens or upsets people. It is a misdemeanor, punishable by fine or brief term in jail.


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