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    Posted: 22 November 2004 at 9:54pm

There have been neumerous posts about autocockers and cockers...are these two the same? What brand makes them? Are they better than Tippmanns? Arethey for speedball or woodsball...

can you give me some links?

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wow.

Autococker- (nickname- cocker).

The autococker fires from a closed bolt. It is probably the only gun that fires closed bolt. The auto-cocker system only activates during the last half of the trigger pull. The final portion activates a three way valve that allows CO2 to enter the front side of the activating cylinder. This in turn pushes the cocking block backward approximately 1" and moves the bolt and cocking rod backwards. At this time the hammer latches and a paintball drops into the breech. The bolt and cocking assembly remains in the rearward position until you release the trigger. Releasing the trigger reverses the three-way valve. This vents the CO2 from the front of the activating cylinder and routes CO2 to the rear of the activating cylinder. The cylinder then pulls the cocking block and bolt into the forward position. The gun is now ready to fire. The first half of the next trigger pull releases the hammer, firing the gun, and the second half of the pull repeats the above steps.

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The basic idea behind the AutoCocker is to take a pump gun and replace the pump handle with a piston to pump the gun automatically. Hence the ram. The ram is controlled by a 3-way valve that is connected to the trigger. The ram, 3-way, and regulator are located under a cover or exposed (most are exposed) on the front of the gun. The cocking block connecting rod run down the left side of the body. It connects the ram to the cocking block. When the trigger is depressed, the 3-way sends Co2 to the back of the ram's piston and it in turn pushes the cocking block back. When this happens, the block pulls the bolt and cocking rod back as well. The bolt is now open which allows a paintball to fall into the chamber. The cocking rod is connected to the hammer, so the hammer is also pulled back until the sear catches on the trigger. When the trigger is released, the 3-way routes Co2 into the front of the piston, pulling the cocking block forward, closing the bolt. The paintgun is now ready to fire. Depressing the trigger again fires the paintball and begins the cycle again.

So the autococker will not fire a paintball on the first trigger pull, but rather has to cycle a paintball into the chamber first.

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Originally posted by cockerkilla99' cockerkilla99' wrote:

wow.

Autococker- (nickname- cocker).

The autococker fires from a closed bolt. It is probably the only gun that fires closed bolt. The auto-cocker system only activates during the last half of the trigger pull. The final portion activates a three way valve that allows CO2 to enter the front side of the activating cylinder. This in turn pushes the cocking block backward approximately 1" and moves the bolt and cocking rod backwards. At this time the hammer latches and a paintball drops into the breech. The bolt and cocking assembly remains in the rearward position until you release the trigger. Releasing the trigger reverses the three-way valve. This vents the CO2 from the front of the activating cylinder and routes CO2 to the rear of the activating cylinder. The cylinder then pulls the cocking block and bolt into the forward position. The gun is now ready to fire. The first half of the next trigger pull releases the hammer, firing the gun, and the second half of the pull repeats the above steps.

Or in other words...

The basic idea behind the AutoCocker is to take a pump gun and replace the pump handle with a piston to pump the gun automatically. Hence the ram. The ram is controlled by a 3-way valve that is connected to the trigger. The ram, 3-way, and regulator are located under a cover or exposed (most are exposed) on the front of the gun. The cocking block connecting rod run down the left side of the body. It connects the ram to the cocking block. When the trigger is depressed, the 3-way sends Co2 to the back of the ram's piston and it in turn pushes the cocking block back. When this happens, the block pulls the bolt and cocking rod back as well. The bolt is now open which allows a paintball to fall into the chamber. The cocking rod is connected to the hammer, so the hammer is also pulled back until the sear catches on the trigger. When the trigger is released, the 3-way routes Co2 into the front of the piston, pulling the cocking block forward, closing the bolt. The paintgun is now ready to fire. Depressing the trigger again fires the paintball and begins the cycle again.

So the autococker will not fire a paintball on the first trigger pull, but rather has to cycle a paintball into the chamber first.

Wo. Mike made an insightful post. You should learn up on cockers a little bit and then get one, if you have the money. I love mine.

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How many kinds of autocockers are there? can you send me some links please?
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There are alot but WGP makes the best. I also love mine to.
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Originally posted by whereISmy A-5 whereISmy A-5 wrote:

How many kinds of autocockers are there? can you send me some links please?

Ok. Here is what I can find in a relatively short time:

http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=ULByXuFFbZJySKDn51yy9u vjGIP23gz-po0=?CategoryName=paintball-guns-worrgames-paintba ll-guns

Also realize that other manufacturers make Autocockers, not just Worr Game Products. So what you see in that link is not the whole deal.

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I don't have an autococker, but would like to get one.  Here is a site with some "cocker" info on it.

http://www.madcocker.com/

 

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Originally posted by hybrid-sniper hybrid-sniper wrote:

Ok. Here is what I can find in a relatively short time:

http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=ULByXuFFbZJySKDn51yy9u vjGIP23gz-po0=?CategoryName=paintball-guns-worrgames-paintba ll-guns

Also realize that other manufacturers make Autocockers, not just Worr Game Products. So what you see in that link is not the whole deal.

Is the Karnivor considered an autococker too?

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Yes.

 

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there are lots of autocockers the only downfall to them is that they are hard to work on and they are better than tippys

 

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Originally posted by P8ntblldude P8ntblldude wrote:

There are alot but WGP makes the best. I also love mine to.



ccm makes the best autococking marker. better than wgp


and cockers require a lil more love but they are awsome! better than tippmanns
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whats the advantage to them? what makes them so good?
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well, i guess you can say that the cockers are better from the start, and more of a tournament grade gun. If you get one with an e-blade, the rate of fire can be insane. They are more accurate from the start and are just plain better all around from the start.  But of course they cost a good bit more, but it takes alot of money to get a tippmann to rival a high end marker(low pressure kits, barrel, e-bolt etc.) Thats why alot of people like myself would just rather get cockers than put too much money into our tippmanns. They are 2 different guns in two different leagues.
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ive tried one.. they kick butt, i recommend to get it.
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There are Custom cockers (aftermarket bought bodys such as AIM, FreeFlow, MacDev, Bob Long Turtle, Marvin, Fastbacks, etc...)

then there are Cockers- (WorrGame Products)

Then we have fake cockers or FOCKERS (system X, Dye, any other brand besides ones mentioned above).

 

There is also Mechicanial Autocockers (the way it works is my 1st post).

Then you can order a ANS Race Frame, or Eclipse Eblade 1 or 2. Them kind are powered by a electric solonoid, that acts as a 3-way only has a noid inside that sends singles to the board in the grip frame, these kind are much faster then mech cockers, but also alot more money...seeing a eblade 2 is going for $450. and a Mech cocker is only about $200-$500...

I have both a E-Cocker, and my new Mech cocker is on the way, im putting a nice e2 (eblade 2) on my mech for xmas....



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If you want the best IMO paintball gun with an automated cocking system get a Palmer Blazer, Typhoon, or a Palmerized Cocker. Glenn Palmer is the father of the automated cocking system. Except for the Blazer all of Palmers guns are hand made to order. Here is the link Palmer Pursuit Shop If you have questions about PPS join the POG Forum or you can send me a pm here. Enjoy!!
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^^^.

He's talking AUTOCOCKER not Automated cocking system....autocockers are penumitic (sp) operated guns.

And Budd Orr Was the First to invent the autococker.

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Originally posted by cockerkilla99' cockerkilla99' wrote:

^^^.

He's talking AUTOCOCKER not Automated cocking system....autocockers are penumitic (sp) operated guns.

And Budd Orr Was the First to invent the autococker.

Actually, just about any paintball gun is a "pneumatic operated" gun. (Think about the name "Tippmann Pneumatic, LLC")

Also, just to set the record straight: Palmer was the FIRST to come up with the idea of using a 3-way/4-way to actuate a pneumatic ram to recock a pump gun; the core concept behind the Autococker.

While Palmer developed the idea, Bud Orr simply had more business sense and savy to market the gun he created based on this concept: the Autococker.

 

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