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    Posted: 03 December 2004 at 8:15pm

I know of three items to produces backspins on paintballs. The flatline barrel of course from tippmann, the hop-up barrel from Armotech, and the karta body for the automag. What I want to know if anyone has used the karta would they please tell me how it works?  Is he Hop-up a straight barrel or curved like the flatline and how it works? If anyone has used two or more would they please tell me which one was better?

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Update: So it turns out the karta was a mistake its called the z body for the automag



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The Deadly wind site says nothing about that body kit putting backspin on the ball.  Where did you get your info?
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The Hop-Up is made by Armotech, not Ariakon, and it is a straight barrel. There are grooves on along the top of the barrel that allow air to pass creating low pressure. This causes higher pressure at the bottom of the barrel which results in the paintball hugging the top of the barrel, creating backspin. The grooves also provide just the right amount of friction to cause the backspin without sacrificing velocity.

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Oh, and as of this writing, the Hop-up barrel is only available on the Warsensor line of markers - they are not yet available for individual sale.
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im sure someone could come up with mods to get those things on...
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Originally posted by DirtyDawg DirtyDawg wrote:

The Hop-Up is made by Armotech, not Ariakon, and it is a straight barrel. There are grooves on along the top of the barrel that allow air to pass creating low pressure. This causes higher pressure at the bottom of the barrel which results in the paintball hugging the top of the barrel, creating backspin. The grooves also provide just the right amount of friction to cause the backspin without sacrificing velocity.
um yeah yur right about all that stuff except it is akrion cus they changed the name. and its been like that for a while now.
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No, it's armotech. The company split. http://www.armotech.us
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thankx, now i need to go find something on the karta
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Rifled barrels do not work as well as the Flatline.
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The hop-up isn't rifled. The grooves are at 11, 12, and 1 o'clock. They run straight the length of the barrel
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Originally posted by DirtyDawg DirtyDawg wrote:

The hop-up isn't rifled. The grooves are at 11, 12, and 1 o'clock. They run straight the length of the barrel

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Originally posted by MROD MROD wrote:

Rifled barrels do not work as well as the Flatline.


In my opinion, you're comparing apples and oranges:

Flatlines have a better range but, they are more sensitive to the inconsistancies in paintballs than normal or even rifled barrels (which results in inaccuracy).  If you've got a good case of paint, you're rockin with accuracy and range.  If you don't, you're not. 

A Rifled Barrel (like Armsons) does not try to increase the range, they try to improve accuracy (in terms of shot to shot consistancy).  In my experience, when you get a proper paint match, there is a significant improvement over a smoothbore in terms of accuracy.  Inconsistant paint has had a minimal impact on their performance in my experience.

However, since there aren't any rifled barrels that can change their bore size to match your paint it's much harder to get that match.
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flatline owns those barrels!

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the z-body automag has a hop-up thing on it.....

Flatline is one

DOnt know anything about the armotech thing, but it IS a different company than Ariakon (notice that the sites have different pistols)
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Originally posted by DirtyDawg DirtyDawg wrote:

No, it's armotech. The company split. http://www.armotech.us
no i stilil think yur wrong. thats the name of the website, mabye they havnt changed the name yet. go to www.paintballgear.com then click on the gun section, look for armotech there is no link all though there used to be on there old site. click on the ariakon link and ull see all of the previously known as armotech guns.
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wait nevermind, those are different. but on other websites a while ago ive seen armotech links in the gun section and i would see guns like the SIM4 and SIM5, but now those are the ariakon guns and the armotech ones are now different, there the wgs w/e guns......ok im confused
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AH HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have found the answer. it is ariakon, because armotech does not exist anymore. go to www.ariakon.com and at the top of the web page it says "formily armotech" so there. uh ok im glad that confusion is over.

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Originally posted by DirtyDawg DirtyDawg wrote:

The Hop-Up is made by Armotech, not Ariakon....

armotech = ariakon


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Found on the armotech.us forum:

"SPEED PAINTBALL CO., LTD., THE MANUFACTURER OF THE ZEUS, MARS AND WG PRODUCT LINES AND TRIANGLE SYSTEMS, INC., THE MANUFACTURER OF THE S.I.M.4 AND TORO PRODUCT LINES, HAVE SETTLED ALL OF THE OUTSTANDING LITIGATION BETWEEN THEM. THE SETTLEMENT PROVIDES FOR TRIANGLE SYSTEMS, INC.’S ASSIGNMENT OF ANY RIGHT, TITLE AND/OR OWNERSHIP INTEREST TRIANGLE SYSTEMS, INC. HAS OR MAY HAVE HAD IN THE "ARMOTECH", "ZEUS", "MARS" AND "WG" TRADEMARKS TO SPEED PAINTBALL CO., LTD. TRIANGLE SYSTEMS, INC. HAS BEEN GRANTED A LICENSE BY SPEED PAINTBALL CO., LTD. TO USE AND SELL PRODUCTS UNDER THE ARMOTECH TRADEMARK FOR A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME."

Armotech is not Ariakon.

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That phrase also appears in the Armotech ad on page 178 of the December 04 issue of APG. The Ariakon ad that runs on pages 160-165 in the same issue does not have any mention of the settled litigation.

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