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    Posted: 15 February 2005 at 4:40pm
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So I was thinking about it when I had nothing else to do in class.
Sniper, the term, was derived from an indian sport where a person would go into the woods and flush a small bird, known as a snipe out of the bushes. It was a very fast moving bird that ran across the ground. Because of this, the hunters had to be very fast, and shoot very much on reaction and instinct.

Now, I was trying to think where this actually fits into paintball, and finally, I admit, there are snipers in paintball.

In speedball, the ability to snapshoot is a sought after skill. You have to watch out of the corner of your eye, take aim and eliminate a person that could be diving behind cover, or aiming at you. Therefore, I will say there are snipers in paintball....just not the guy that dresses up like a flower garden and lays in the back.

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everyone is a sniper in paintball...
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i will never admit that ther are snipers in paintball, ever. my definition of sniper is the marksman/sharpshooter in the military or those guys in washington dc last year who sit and shoot from far distances and hit ther targets. that doesnt happen in paintball
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No, he's got a point. There IS an accurate application of the term when one looks at the initial derivation of the word and what it entailed.

In the original sense of the word, yes, there are snipers in paintball, in exactly the context that Seb has mentioned.

The application of the evolved term is erronious however, given the more complex components of the term.

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Yeah I've been snipe hunting.
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So if the snipers were sharpshooters hunting Snipes

Wouldn't sharpshooters hunting paintball players be, paintballers!
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Originally posted by NotDaveEllis NotDaveEllis wrote:

So if the snipers were sharpshooters hunting Snipes

Wouldn't sharpshooters hunting paintball players be, paintballers!

Careful dave, you'll confuse the children.

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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

No, he's got a point. There IS an accurate application of the term when one looks at the initial derivation of the word and what it entailed.

In the original sense of the word, yes, there are snipers in paintball, in exactly the context that Seb has mentioned.

The application of the evolved term is erronious however, given the more complex components of the term.

I wonder how long before I'm gonna have to lock this.

No...That was confusing. Sadly I understood Dave.

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Originally posted by NotDaveEllis NotDaveEllis wrote:

So if the snipers were sharpshooters hunting Snipes

Wouldn't sharpshooters hunting paintball players be, paintballers!


...Here is a cookie.

I agree with your point of view, but the term has evolved per se over the years and now is devided into to defenitions.  Dictionary, and military.  By dictionary there are paintball snipers, by military there aren't.
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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by NotDaveEllis NotDaveEllis wrote:

So if the snipers were sharpshooters hunting Snipes

Wouldn't sharpshooters hunting paintball players be, paintballers!

Careful dave, you'll confuse the children.



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You misunderstood that?

I thought it was a rather lucid and comprehensible assessment.  



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The modern image and tactics of snipers, with there special camo suites or guile suites, originated during the first world war. There were these Scottish marksmen who were hired by this rich landowner to protect his livestock, they invented a type of camouflage suite that could blend in to any environment using torn rags and stuff that were natural colors, they were later employed by the British army as snipers. But you don’t have to sneak around wearing a bush to be a sniper, in WW 2 there were snipers in both the American and British armies who wore regular uniforms and advanced w/ their squad of regular infantrymen, in short they were just regular soldiers who were very good shots and had a scoped M-1903 riffle instead of an M-1.

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Originally posted by NotDaveEllis NotDaveEllis wrote:

So if the snipers were sharpshooters hunting Snipes

Wouldn't sharpshooters hunting paintball players be, paintballers!

ding ding ding.
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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

You misunderstood that?

I thought it was a rather lucid and comprehensible assessment.  

AHHH CURSE YOU and your big fancy words!!!! j/k.

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Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:

<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>The modern image and tactics of snipers, with there special camo suites or guile suites, originated during the first world war. There were these Scottish marksmen who were hired by this rich landowner to protect his livestock, they invented a type of camouflage suite that could blend in to any environment using torn rags and stuff that were natural colors, they were later employed by the British army as snipers. But you don’t have to sneak around wearing a bush to be a sniper, in WW 2 there were snipers in both the American and British armies who wore regular uniforms and advanced w/ their squad of regular infantrymen, in short they were just regular soldiers who were very good shots and had a scoped M-1903 riffle instead of an M-1.


There is a reason I stated it as plainly as I did. I superceded both this term, the common military term and the over used paintball term. I defined it as per the origins of the word, yes, you are mostly correct, however, where did the scots get the term, I.E. What is the origin of the sniper.
We can argue semantics till the sun goes down, but you can not argue the original meaning.
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Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:

The modern image and tactics of snipers, with there special camo suites or guile suites, originated during the first world war. There were these Scottish marksmen who were hired by this rich landowner to protect his livestock, they invented a type of camouflage suite that could blend in to any environment using torn rags and stuff that were natural colors, they were later employed by the British army as snipers. But you don’t have to sneak around wearing a bush to be a sniper, in WW 2 there were snipers in both the American and British armies who wore regular uniforms and advanced w/ their squad of regular infantrymen, in short they were just regular soldiers who were very good shots and had a scoped M-1903 riffle instead of an M-1.

Not a bad recitation. Its a little deeper than that, but it'll serve. *Stealth* and I put together a rather brilliant little post concerning the origins and the history of the term and its applications...that was a long time ago.



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Originally posted by Monk Monk wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

You misunderstood that?

I thought it was a rather lucid and comprehensible assessment.  

AHHH CURSE YOU and your big fancy words!!!! j/k.

It takes me quite some time to be able to properly place words like that in a coherant sentence, and its a rare occasion that I get to use them...so I seize every opportunity that I can..

 

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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:

The modern image and tactics of snipers, with there special camo suites or guile suites, originated during the first world war. There were these Scottish marksmen who were hired by this rich landowner to protect his livestock, they invented a type of camouflage suite that could blend in to any environment using torn rags and stuff that were natural colors, they were later employed by the British army as snipers. But you don’t have to sneak around wearing a bush to be a sniper, in WW 2 there were snipers in both the American and British armies who wore regular uniforms and advanced w/ their squad of regular infantrymen, in short they were just regular soldiers who were very good shots and had a scoped M-1903 riffle instead of an M-1.

Not a bad recitation. Its a little deeper than that, but it'll serve. *Stealth* and I put together a rather brilliant little post concerning the origins and the history of the term and its applications...that was a long time ago.

 

Yea, I was just trying to give a basic summary of the origins of the modern sniper, the whole Idea of snipers in warfare actually originates with us Americans in the Revolutionary war, although they weren’t called snipers then. But I’m sure you knew that.

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Originally posted by NotDaveEllis NotDaveEllis wrote:

So if the snipers were sharpshooters hunting Snipes

Wouldn't sharpshooters hunting paintball players be, paintballers!


hahahahahahha


oh man... now I see why I stay on this forum... 
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wow, this is one of the shortest sniper threads I've ever seen, atleast, that dont include flaming
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