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    Posted: 24 March 2005 at 9:58am
In history we are talking the cold war and nuclear war and blah blah blah...So i was thinking about why there is such a threat of a nuclear attack or war. Im sure most of you have heard of M.A.D (mutual assured destruction) and with Non-Nato countries to even think about attacking the U.S or one of our allies would probaly be one of the most idotic things in history. Considering they would have nothing to gain. North Korea has about 4 or 5 nukes, to where the U.S has probaly a hundred or so ( just an estimate not sure on actual #'s) not to mention the countless others that would be shot towards N. Korea from our allies. Even with Russia or China even, they both have a good number of nukes themselves yet, they would have to spread them out over a few different countries, where as they would have 10 o**edited**ries firing at 2 countries, so to me nuclear war is still a possibility but a minute one, it doesnt make any sense to me and neither side would have anything to gain. Sorry this is a pointless post but needed somewhere to rant? thanks and if you have any thoughts please add them...
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if a small country like north korea fired nukes at us the would probably be seen by Norad and shot down in some form or another (the airforse has a set of modified 747 with some kind of freakin think that like burn a hole in fuel hold of missilies) and seeing as we know the affect a nuke would have on the world and neighborring countries in general and would defeinatly have the support of our allies we would probably have over 1 million (including allies) troop in there with a week or 2 and that would probably take care of that wonderful section of the world.
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War is always a possibility. One fanatic with enough money and away we go. Assama Bin Laden has enough money to get nukes if they become available. Russia has lots of weapons that are relatively unsecure after the fall of the Soviet Union. I think it's alot more likely to happen than most people want to admit. Our gov. is spending billions to try and secure all the russian weapons.
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Ha... 100 nukes? We have many thousands...
And the thing that scares us is nukes in the hands of someone who doesn't think rationally. A rational person will come to the same conclusion as you... An irrational one will just say "screw it" and fire away.
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Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:

Ha... 100 nukes? We have many thousands...
And the thing that scares us is nukes in the hands of someone who doesn't think rationally. A rational person will come to the same conclusion as you... An irrational one will just say "screw it" and fire away.

Exactly. I'm not worried about national leaders, it is the people who don't care about their own lives. Suicide bombers aren't that hard to find.

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Yeah, I heard a quote once that was something like this: I don't fear the man who wants a thousand nuclear weapons. I fear the man who wants one.

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Originally posted by Strife_17 Strife_17 wrote:

if a small country like north korea fired nukes at us the would probably be seen by Norad and shot down in some form or another (the airforse has a set of modified 747 with some kind of freakin think that like burn a hole in fuel hold of missilies) and seeing as we know the affect a nuke would have on the world and neighborring countries in general and would defeinatly have the support of our allies we would probably have over 1 million (including allies) troop in there with a week or 2 and that would probably take care of that wonderful section of the world.


That 747 is not mission ready nor is it circeling at all times. I bet it would be taken down by another missle, then, we wouldnt fire a nuke back. Just a hunch, either we wouldnt fire a nuke, or just kill Kim Jung Il
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The likely hood of any nuclear weapon actually hitting US soil is realitively small. On top of that not to many groups are dull enough to just outright attack us. What is more likely is something of domestic sorts or has anyone read the book "SUM OF ALL FEARS" that is the kind of situation that might happen. The US is currently trying to scale down its shear numbers of nuclear weapons after the cold war. Russia, er, um yeah. After the fall of the SovietUnion many things went missing and there is no telling how many unaccounted for weapons there currently are out there. On that note though you can also look at something like russia's nuclear subs. So many of them failed and sank of the coast of siberia in the pacific and arctic. Its not even funny how much nuclear waste there is. If you stood on the coast at night you could probably see a green glow eminating from the waters.

Also a nuclear war after one nuclear attack is a little unlikely. Why would the US (and NATO) ruin the earth with vast clouds of radiation? They may just launch attacks of other sorts to destroy the problem (if it were identifiable) If it were a country just blow it to hell with MOAB's or something.

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The number of warheads a country has doesnt really matter. The United States has enough Nukes to blow the world up over 10 times. Obvously they are useless after we blow the world up once.
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Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:

The United States has enough Nukes to blow the world up over 10 times. 


That was back in the late 80's now its more like we have enough fire power to blow up the World 35-times.
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I couldnt remember the number but you still get the idea
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Originally posted by Liquid3 Liquid3 wrote:

War is always a possibility. One fanatic with enough money and away we go. Geroge W. Bush has enough money to get nukes if they become available. Russia has lots of weapons that are relatively unsecure after the fall of the Soviet Union. I think it's alot more likely to happen than most people want to admit. Our gov. is spending billions to try and secure all the russian weapons.
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Originally posted by A-5 08 A-5 08 wrote:

The likely hood of any nuclear weapon actually hitting US soil is realitively small. On top of that not to many groups are dull enough to just outright attack us. What is more likely is something of domestic sorts or has anyone read the book "SUM OF ALL FEARS" that is the kind of situation that might happen. The US is currently trying to scale down its shear numbers of nuclear weapons after the cold war. Russia, er, um yeah. After the fall of the SovietUnion many things went missing and there is no telling how many unaccounted for weapons there currently are out there. On that note though you can also look at something like russia's nuclear subs. So many of them failed and sank of the coast of siberia in the pacific and arctic. Its not even funny how much nuclear waste there is. If you stood on the coast at night you could probably see a green glow eminating from the waters.

Also a nuclear war after one nuclear attack is a little unlikely. Why would the US (and NATO) ruin the earth with vast clouds of radiation? They may just launch attacks of other sorts to destroy the problem (if it were identifiable) If it were a country just blow it to hell with MOAB's or something.



The first metal gear solid was about this. If you know what to look for, in all of Hideo Kojimas games, there is a message, in the metal gear solid:solid snake and twin snakes, it was largely about nuclear proliferation. Thats why i like that game so much.
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I'm guessing its all for defense.

It's crazy to think that it takes only one button to destroy
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This is why humans are ruining the world.

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oh well, the Cold war may begin soon, in around 20yrs or so... Putin has just pushed the Kremlin to Communism, he only allows the same party of government style as he is, He mostly makes all the Descisions, ans just uses the kremlin like his only little puppet show... So... if another one of putins kind is "elected"(if they do actually hold a true democratic election) president, then... we may have problems...

  Pretty much all Russia has to do is Raise the Red Star one morning, and its back to the Cold War, right now the Soilders in the Military all still salute the Red Star, and they still see it as a Symbol of there power, its just they dont have the old Satalite nations like they did before...


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The number of nukes the US has has been scalled down we still have a good number but many have been destroyed and dismantled and that is still currently going on. As to date all the money bush has put into missile defense hasnt proved itself to defend our country if there were an attack. and right now the US is chomping at the bit wondering whats going to happen with castro once he dies, everyone thinks his brother will take over and if he does what is he going to do, not that they are a big threat or anything by after their involvement during the cold war it could be interesrting. Espcially after the promise we made with the former USSR, about staying out of Cuba and removing our missiles from turkey which still stands today. O and N. Korea's leader Ol'jimmy boy just handed out ALOT of pamphlets telling its citizens that the U.S is planning a nuclear attack and in the event of the attack to first save STATUES of him... wow thats crazy just goes to show that even national leaders are a lil whack too.
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well, if you're interested in this kind of thing, read "alas, babylon" Its a really great book and it really shows what it would be like if nuclear war really did happen...at least nuclear war with russia...lets pray to god that never happens.  I'm totally against nuclear weaponry...but its sad because we can't dismantle cause if we do, then all those countries that have nukes and hate us won't be thinking twice before they hit the big red button if you know what i mean...
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for the record,(even though i doubt the government abides by it) after WWII we agreed with Japan that neither country could have more than I believe 3,600 nuclear weapons. And for those skeptics that think we have to rely on the 747 with the high-intensity laser, your wrong. About a year ago we finished the Patriot air-to-ground defense missle.  It hits Mach 6 and can intercept with a target across the Atlantic(or Pacific) Ocean.

BTW, if anyone else has no life, we designed it while working with Israel.
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

for the record,(even though i doubt the government abides by it) after WWII we agreed with Japan that neither country could have more than I believe 3,600 nuclear weapons. And for those skeptics that think we have to rely on the 747 with the high-intensity laser, your wrong. About a year ago we finished the Patriot air-to-ground defense missle.  It hits Mach 6 and can intercept with a target across the Atlantic(or Pacific) Ocean.

BTW, if anyone else has no life, we designed it while working with Israel.

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