autocockers

im debating in my head ion or cocker. im wondering what some better cockers are and where you can get them?

I'd suggest the Ion over a 'cocker. It will be slightly less accurate, a lot faster, and signifigantly lighter. Also, a new ProStock is $360(although the 2004's are $280), whereas a new Ion is $280.   Even being a 'cocker owner for quite a few months, and having used half a dozen of them, I'd say an Ion owns a stock mechanical 'cocker.

slettec wrote: as pariel said, the ion will be less accurate but a lot faster. i don't see this as a strength, because you'll save a lot of money on paint using a cocker which is one of the most accurate guns out there. talk about one shot kills, man. if you put the right things on the cocker, it'll rip like crazy and be dead on accurate. weight isn't that big of a deal. it's not going to affect your performance, really. a cocker with a good barrel will own any ion.

The Ion isn't inaccurate, just not dead on, ball on ball accurate like a 'cocker. For speedball, having a bit of a spread can be useful, 'specially for laning.

I own one of the nicest mechanical 'cockers on this forum, and I'd say buy an Ion.

I'd have to go cocker on this one. Only b/c like the others said the cocker is extremly good in accuracy, and the ion for speed, but you can upgrade your cocker to be a lot fast than the ion, but that means more $.

Pariel wrote: I'd suggest the Ion over a 'cocker. It will be slightly less accurate, a lot faster, and signifigantly lighter. Also, a new ProStock is $360(although the 2004's are $280), whereas a new Ion is $280.   Even being a 'cocker owner for quite a few months, and having used half a dozen of them, I'd say an Ion owns a stock mechanical 'cocker.

Was he talking about a mech cocker or an ebladed one? Either way, the ion is gonna be fast, probably faster then the mech cocker. The ebladed cocker will shoot about the same bps. Ion will be more cost effective though.

slettec wrote: as pariel said, the ion will be less accurate but a lot faster. i don't see this as a strength, because you'll save a lot of money on paint using a cocker which is one of the most accurate guns out there. talk about one shot kills, man. if you put the right things on the cocker, it'll rip like crazy and be dead on accurate. weight isn't that big of a deal. it's not going to affect your performance, really. a cocker with a good barrel will own any ion.

Weight does matter. I cant go out there with a fully loaded halo, unmilled viking and 114/4500 tank and be expected to move around as fast or agile as if i had say a freestyle with a revvy and a 45/4500 tank. The only thing is, cockers arent as heavy as some people will tell you. My brother just traded his E2 black magic for a freestyle. With his tank and barrel on each the weights were within 4 ounces. Now the Ion will be less accurate if it is not properly maintained or lubed, or if it has a bad paint to barrel match. Consistency is more important in determining accuracy then paint to barrel, and i dont know how good the ions are with maintaining velocity. Either way, im tired of hearing that closed bolt is more accurate then open bolt. Its not. End of story.

Pariel wrote: slettec wrote: as pariel said, the ion will be less accurate but a lot faster. i don't see this as a strength, because you'll save a lot of money on paint using a cocker which is one of the most accurate guns out there. talk about one shot kills, man. if you put the right things on the cocker, it'll rip like crazy and be dead on accurate. weight isn't that big of a deal. it's not going to affect your performance, really. a cocker with a good barrel will own any ion. The Ion isn't inaccurate, just not dead on, ball on ball accurate like a 'cocker. For speedball, having a bit of a spread can be useful, 'specially for laning. I own one of the nicest mechanical 'cockers on this forum, and I'd say buy an Ion.

Pics and specs of the cocker?

P8baller wrote: I'd have to go cocker on this one. Only b/c like the others said the cocker is extremly good in accuracy, and the ion for speed, but you can upgrade your cocker to be a lot fast than the ion, but that means more $.

Im tired of debating this accuracy issue. Read my other post in the fastest gun thread on the front page of which gun is best.

Pariel wrote: I can buy two new Ions, with upgrades, for the price of one new SuperStock. Here's how it's gonna break down I guess: If you want to hit the same spot everytime(ie:woodsball, or if you just like incredibly accurate shooting), get the autococker. If you want to be able to keep up with just about any gun in speedball, and having a ball-on-ball accurate gun isn't necessary to you, get the Ion.

Lets say an ion with upgrades is $300, thats being generous. A superstock is like 550. Thats not the same price. Cocker isnt more accurate. Ion is fast and will keep up with other guns, but so will an e-cocker. Ball on ball accuracy is important no matter which type of paintball youre playing, cause if a guy is sticking his hand or pack out without realizing it, you want to get off like 5 shots quick and you want them going to the same spot.

Bleh, i say youll be happy with either an ion or an e-cocker.

I never said an upgraded Ion, I just said an Ion.

Ions go new in the $240 range right now. I can get you a totally tricked out Ion: new barrel, clamping feed neck, new trigger, uni-mount, new regulator, for $425. That's still $125 less than the SuperStock. Plus, if you want a SuperStock to be shooting equally with that, you'd need a new regulator and barrel(most expensive parts of the setup), plus a uni-mount(no on/off on the stock one) and clamping feed neck, and probably a new regulator(not sure how good the current ones are).

Either way, he was talking about a mech 'cocker. Deffiantely not worth it if you can get an Ion.

We already debated the 'cockers thing months ago, and my 'cocker was second only to SeaWolf's only because my ram is still brass, and the whole gun is a gloss black. Plus, I've got one of the few walkable mechanical triggers(without paint...) on this forum, if not the only one.

Overall, accuracy matters a lot more about your paint to barrel match than the gun. You get that paint in a good sized barrel, and you'll be able to blast anything whether you're shooting a Spyder or an Ego.

It's not the fact that it's closed bolt, it's simply the fact that 'cockers can shoot accurately almost all the time, I'm not really sure why, but they can.

Neither is that great. Cockers are slow, heavy, finiky and obsolete compared to the other guns used in tourneys these days. IONS are cheap, light and pretty fast but very unreliable.

Edited by Bunkerking1337

Get an ION.