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    Posted: 16 August 2005 at 1:12pm

why is the tommy gun classified as a sub machine gun and not an assault rifle

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because it doesnt have variable rates of fire.  Its either semi, or automatic.  Thats my guess anyway
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Im assuming it also has something to do with size and ammo caliber. The tompson is only .45 caliber, short bullets, M16s are 5.56, but longer ammo. I may just be making up a reason, but it seems logical to me. May also have to do, like pred said, with the fire rates.
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Because it is a .45 caliber. It does not fire a round large enough to classify it as an "Assult Rifle."  Plus in the early 19-hundreds when the Tompson was first invented, the term "Assult Rifle" did not exist (the term "Assult Rifle" was coined in the early 90's by the Clinton admisistration, to give the misconception that certain rifles were only used for violent purposes).

 

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I hereby dub the Tommygun an "Assault Rifle".

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 Try shooting a Thomson a someone just once from 100 yrds away.  I'm willing to be that you don't hit them very often.  The M16 however, can hit a target 5/5 times at 200 yrds.
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100 yards?  Heck, try hitting something with a Tommy from 20 yards.  That thing is impossible to control.
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Originally posted by Random_Person Random_Person wrote:

Because it is a .45 caliber. It does not fire a round large enough to classify it as an "Assult Rifle."  Plus in the early 19-hundreds when the Tompson was first invented, the term "Assult Rifle" did not exist (the term "Assult Rifle" was coined in the early 90's by the Clinton admisistration, to give the misconception that certain rifles were only used for violent purposes).

 

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.45 cal is bigger than a 5.56mm. Alot bigger. 5.56 is .223 cal if I'm not mistaken. The cartridge is bigger on the 5.56 though.

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Originally posted by Random_Person Random_Person wrote:

Because it is a .45 caliber. It does not fire a round large enough to classify it as an "Assult Rifle."  Plus in the early 19-hundreds when the Tompson was first invented, the term "Assult Rifle" did not exist (the term "Assult Rifle" was coined in the early 90's by the Clinton admisistration, to give the misconception that certain rifles were only used for violent purposes).

 

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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

100 yards? Heck, try hitting something with a Tommy from 20 yards. That thing is impossible to control.

hence the huge clip. you've gotta hit the target a few times with that many bullets
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Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

Originally posted by Random_Person Random_Person wrote:

Because it is a .45 caliber. It does not fire a round large enough to classify it as an "Assult Rifle."  Plus in the early 19-hundreds when the Tompson was first invented, the term "Assult Rifle" did not exist (the term "Assult Rifle" was coined in the early 90's by the Clinton admisistration, to give the misconception that certain rifles were only used for violent purposes).

 

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.45 cal is bigger than a 5.56mm. Alot bigger. 5.56 is .223 cal if I'm not mistaken. The cartridge is bigger on the 5.56 though.

In diameter yes, but as far as power,range, and speed are concerned, no.  The .223 has a much smaller and lighter bullet, and much more powder in the case than the .45, and more powder means more power.  The size of the bullet is not the major determining factor in the power of the cartridge.

 

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 Well, the term "assault rifle" describes a gun that is, in a sense, half rifle and half sub machine gun.  They were designed to be able to fire rapidly, but still have a decent accuracy. Ideally, you should be able to use an "assualt rifle" as both rifle and sub-machine gun.  At least, this is what the Military channel told me.?.
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Read the word. Sub-machine gun. It's shooting a round that's less than a machine gun. IE: pistol round.
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somebody go to wikipedia and settle this...
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Originally posted by Predatorr Predatorr wrote:

somebody go to wikipedia and settle this...


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That gun was meant to be like a broom rather than a true asault riffle. It was meant to put down a lot of fire in very little time. The thompson sub machine gun is also very very inacurate. Its a terrible weapon to use offensivly. Its more suited for CQB(close quarter battle) origionaly it was used as a trench sweeper.
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yeah the tompson is not good for trying to flank or something but for holding off the enemy like just charging that is the gun i would have wanted
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Were you listening at all? The thompson wasnt good for much of anything. It jammed all the time, the reciever rusted and it had terrible acuracy. The only thing it was good for was laying down a lot of fire at close ranges.
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that is what i mean if someone is charging at me i would have wanted a thompson
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