Regs or Expansion

What's the best way to go, a reg or an expansion to increase your consitancy with CO2.

All info welsome.

Tippmann 98c Camo
Responce Trigger (Pending instalation)
Palmers Stabilizer
J & J Edge Ceramic Kit
Smart Parts Pogressive 12"
Anti-siphon 20 oz co2

Regulators are much better than expansion chambers. I did some research into this about 5 years ago before I bought an ACI Sub Zero x-chamber. I wanted a regulator, but didn't have the money for it. I didn't care for the x-chamber, so I took it back and swapped it for a remote line. I'm hoping by Christmas to get enough money for a Palmer's Female Stablizer. When it comes to CO2, Palmer is the best.

An expansion chamber has stages. These stages help allow CO2 to expand before entering the marker. By letting the CO2 expand, there is a lesser chance of liquid CO2 entering your marker (which is very bad). Therefore, the more chambers an expansion chamber has, the better it will preform.

A regulator goes a step further. It regulates the pressure of the CO2 before entering the marker. This will give you more consistent shots.

I've heard that if you take a CO2 tank and screw it into your marker w/o a regulator, remote line or expansion chamber, your FPS can vary up to 20 +/- FPS per shot. With a regulator, that variance is more like 3 to 5 +/- FPS. Obviously, the better the consistancy of your air flow, the better the consistancy of your shots.

Tippmann 98 Custom
14" J&J Ceramic
Q-Loader
Lapco Direct Feedneck
Dye Sticky Grips
20oz w/ on/off valve
coiled remote line
JT Spectra 260 Thermals
JT Tatical Gloves
Olive Green Flight Suit

I've got to agree from what I've heard myslef. Go palmers regulator.

Tippmann 98 custom RT
Apache
14" J&J ceramic
Black/green hybrid grip
Broadsword vest
Remote line
Proto Switch EL

Palmers Stab>Any X-chamber. So if you got the $ then I would highly reccomend getting a Palmers. But if you're short on $ then get a X-Core X-chamber (made by DOP).

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What stab did you get the male or female? If you got the female, you just need to take the hose off the stock ASA and install it into the Palmer. If you got the male and need to install the vert adapter, take the gun apart, remove the valve and the hose should come out easy. If it's stuck, heat it up a bit with a blow dryer, to loose the Loctite. Don't try to remove the hose from the valve without taking the valve out, your asking for trouble. That's how I stripped my valve (I had to get a new valve).

SPUDCRAZY

I've send a private message on how to detach the hose from the valve....

Spudcrazy walked me through. Feels and shoots great. I'm going to re-adjust later for a guage. But I like it how it is now.

Tippmann 98c Camo
Responce Trigger (Pending instalation)
Palmers Stabilizer
J & J Edge Ceramic Kit
Smart Parts Pogressive 12"
Anti-siphon 20 oz co2

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The Obo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 05 July 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Obo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Regs or Expansion Posted: 13 October 2005 at 11:25am
	What's the best way to go, a reg or an expansion to increase your consitancy with CO2. All info welsome.
	Tippmann 98c Camo Responce Trigger (Pending instalation) Palmers Stabilizer J & J Edge Ceramic Kit Smart Parts Pogressive 12" Anti-siphon 20 oz co2

macgyver Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 02 October 2005 Status: Offline Points: 67	Post Options Post Reply Quote macgyver Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 October 2005 at 1:18pm
	If you never plan on getting HPA/Nitrogen then get a expansion chamber. They are made for CO2 systems to help convert the liquid CO2 into a gas which will give you more shots per tank and give you the better consistancy that you are after. Expansion chambers are also less expensive than good regulators. Besides some regulators don't work when used in a CO2 system because the CO2 will freeze up internal parts of the regulator. When you look for an expansion chamber look for one with multiple "stages". More stages means better performance but at a higher cost. If you plan on using HPA/Nitrogen someday you should consider buying a good regulator that can handle CO2 without freezing up and not an expansion chamber. When using HPA/Nitrogen a regulator is probably the best way to improve consistancy. Good regulators will help with CO2 also but not as much. Some people may dissagree on this. If you live in Canada, as stated above, and only use CO2 then you should find the best expasion chamber that you can.

neocool00 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 13 August 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 85	Post Options Post Reply Quote neocool00 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 October 2005 at 3:11pm
	Regulators are much better than expansion chambers. I did some research into this about 5 years ago before I bought an ACI Sub Zero x-chamber. I wanted a regulator, but didn't have the money for it. I didn't care for the x-chamber, so I took it back and swapped it for a remote line. I'm hoping by Christmas to get enough money for a Palmer's Female Stablizer. When it comes to CO2, Palmer is the best. An expansion chamber has stages. These stages help allow CO2 to expand before entering the marker. By letting the CO2 expand, there is a lesser chance of liquid CO2 entering your marker (which is very bad). Therefore, the more chambers an expansion chamber has, the better it will preform. A regulator goes a step further. It regulates the pressure of the CO2 before entering the marker. This will give you more consistent shots. I've heard that if you take a CO2 tank and screw it into your marker w/o a regulator, remote line or expansion chamber, your FPS can vary up to 20 +/- FPS per shot. With a regulator, that variance is more like 3 to 5 +/- FPS. Obviously, the better the consistancy of your air flow, the better the consistancy of your shots.
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spudcrazy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 14 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 363	Post Options Post Reply Quote spudcrazy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 October 2005 at 3:31pm
	Get the Palmer's reg, you can't go wrong. After you break the Palmer in, "you set it and forget it." When I was running strictly off CO2, with the Palmer, I never had to change my settings after the first chrono (after breaking in the reg, of course).

Skitz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 09 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 183	Post Options Post Reply Quote Skitz Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 October 2005 at 3:39pm
	I've got to agree from what I've heard myslef. Go palmers regulator.
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gomez583 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 28 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 125	Post Options Post Reply Quote gomez583 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 October 2005 at 4:06pm
	I went the way of the expansion chamber at first and can now without a doubt say that the Palmer Stab is the way to go.
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SuzukiRider987 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: 15 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5643	Post Options Post Reply Quote SuzukiRider987 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 October 2005 at 4:41pm
	Palmers Stab>Any X-chamber. So if you got the $ then I would highly reccomend getting a Palmers. But if you're short on $ then get a X-Core X-chamber (made by DOP).
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The Obo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 05 July 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Obo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 October 2005 at 9:57pm
	Ok problem, I boutght the Palmer Stabilizer, now I've got some install isues. I'm running the c 98 but I'm wondering how to loosen the cvx valve. or am I going about this all wrong . . . I'm lost . . . LOL
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spudcrazy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 14 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 363	Post Options Post Reply Quote spudcrazy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 October 2005 at 10:04pm
	What stab did you get the male or female? If you got the female, you just need to take the hose off the stock ASA and install it into the Palmer. If you got the male and need to install the vert adapter, take the gun apart, remove the valve and the hose should come out easy. If it's stuck, heat it up a bit with a blow dryer, to loose the Loctite. Don't try to remove the hose from the valve without taking the valve out, your asking for trouble. That's how I stripped my valve (I had to get a new valve).
	SPUDCRAZY

The Obo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 05 July 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Obo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 October 2005 at 10:08pm
	Just try'n to get a quick answer. I have the female. No vert needed. How do I detach the hose from the powertube?
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spudcrazy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 14 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 363	Post Options Post Reply Quote spudcrazy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 October 2005 at 10:15pm
	I've send a private message on how to detach the hose from the valve....

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	If you still have problems take it to your local shop and they will probably install it for you. (They might charge though.)
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The Obo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 05 July 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Obo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 October 2005 at 4:52pm
	Spudcrazy walked me through. Feels and shoots great. I'm going to re-adjust later for a guage. But I like it how it is now.
	Tippmann 98c Camo Responce Trigger (Pending instalation) Palmers Stabilizer J & J Edge Ceramic Kit Smart Parts Pogressive 12" Anti-siphon 20 oz co2