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    Posted: 26 January 2006 at 1:22am

I'm interested in getting a Red Dot sight for my A-5.
The only one that is readily available to me is the TASCO
30MM RED DOT SIGHT.
http://www.specialopspaintball.com/shop/product_detail.asp?S KU=251+0023&BRAND=TASCO
Anyone have experience with this Sight?
And can someone link me to a GOOD offset rail for my A-5?
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Edited by the_skdster - 26 January 2006 at 1:32am
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I have that red dot site they are ok dont, use mine much.
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I would get a 40mm at least. Also I wouldn't buy from specops. I have had several bad experiances with them.
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Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

I would get a 40mm at least.

But 40mm cost soooo much...

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42mm

There, that's about $10 more.
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I have the red dot sight you origionally linked to and it seems fine to me, the different light intensity settings are great, and the 30mm seems fine, though I guess it can make you vulnerable to tunnel vision. Though that is more oreinted toward the skill of the player. Depending on your style of play that sight would be fine and judging by the fact that you want a red dot sight at all I think it would be fine for you... be careful of tunnel vision!
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check e-bay, you can usually find the same stuff, only cheaper
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Originally posted by paintballworm paintballworm wrote:

check e-bay, you can usually find the same stuff, only cheaper

i DON'T LIKE eBAY, plus i have no access to online buying.
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Originally posted by TrivialBeing TrivialBeing wrote:

I have the red dot sight you origionally linked to and it seems fine to me, the different light intensity settings are great, and the 30mm seems fine, though I guess it can make you vulnerable to tunnel vision. Though that is more oreinted toward the skill of the player. Depending on your style of play that sight would be fine and judging by the fact that you want a red dot sight at all I think it would be fine for you... be careful of tunnel vision!

My goodness, the dreaded "tunnel vision" has raised its ugly head again. Gonna say it ONE MORE TIME, how can you get tunnel vision with BOTH EYES OPEN??? Red dot sights are used with both eyes open and there is no magnification. You get about as much "tunnel vision" using a Red Dot as you get from looking over the top f your barrel!!!

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Originally posted by the_skdster the_skdster wrote:

I'm interested in getting a Red Dot sight for my A-5.
The only one that is readily available to me is the TASCO
30MM RED DOT SIGHT.
http://www.specialopspaintball.com/shop/product_detail.asp?S KU=251+0023&BRAND=TASCO
Anyone have experience with this Sight?
And can someone link me to a GOOD offset rail for my A-5?
Thank you's guys.  :D

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Try Lapco for a GOOD offset rail. And try Cabelas for a wider selection and better prices on Red Dot sights. Larger optics may seem like a good idea, but since you use the sight with both eyes open you aren't squinting through or having to align quickly with the small sight.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/common/search/search-resul ts1.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&hasJS=true&_D%3AhasJS =+&%2Fcabelas%2Fcommerce%2FCabelasCatalogNumberFinder.gi ftCertificateURL=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Ftemplates%2Fgiftcertifica te%2Fgiftcertificate.jsp%3Fid%3D0005586990011a%26podId%3D000 5586%26catalogCode%3DIB%26navAction%3Djump%26indexId%3D& _D%3A%2Fcabelas%2Fcommerce%2FCabelasCatalogNumberFinder.gift CertificateURL=+&QueryText=red+dot&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas %2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form9&N=4887&am p;am p;am p;Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=red+d ot&noImage=0 

Specifically, if you want the 42mm at an excellent price ($39.99)

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?i d=0033536712309a&type=product&cmCat=search&retur nString=_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&hasJS=true&_D%3AhasJS =+&%2Fcabelas%2Fcommerce%2FCabelasCatalogNumberFinder.gi ftCertificateURL=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Ftemplates%2Fgiftcertifica te%2Fgiftcertificate.jsp%3Fid%3D0005586990011a%26podId%3D000 5586%26catalogCode%3DIB%26navAction%3Djump%26indexId%3D& _D%3A%2Fcabelas%2Fcommerce%2FCabelasCatalogNumberFinder.gift CertificateURL=+&QueryText=red+dot&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas %2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form9&N=4887&am p;am p;Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=red+d ot&noImage=0&returnPage=search-results1.jsp



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Originally posted by Bruce A. Frank Bruce A. Frank wrote:

Originally posted by TrivialBeing TrivialBeing wrote:

I have the red dot sight you origionally linked to and it seems fine to me, the different light intensity settings are great, and the 30mm seems fine, though I guess it can make you vulnerable to tunnel vision. Though that is more oreinted toward the skill of the player. Depending on your style of play that sight would be fine and judging by the fact that you want a red dot sight at all I think it would be fine for you... be careful of tunnel vision!

My goodness, the dreaded "tunnel vision" has raised its ugly head again. Gonna say it ONE MORE TIME, how can you get tunnel vision with BOTH EYES OPEN??? Red dot sights are used with both eyes open and there is no magnification. You get about as much "tunnel vision" using a Red Dot as you get from looking over the top f your barrel!!!



I agree that using a non magnifying scope does greatly reduce vulnerability to tunnel vision. However, I feel the need to defend my point by explaining that using any sighting system that is advanced past hand eye co-ordination makes the player focous exponetially more on their target therefore reducing their focus on their 360* surroundings. I also stated that this is more dependant on the players skill level, as with both eyes open you can train your conciousness to be more aware of movement in your perifferal vision. Where as an inexperienced player can get too "caught up in the moment" and will focus too much on making their shot on their newly aquired target.
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Originally posted by TrivialBeing TrivialBeing wrote:

I agree that using a non magnifying scope does greatly reduce vulnerability to tunnel vision. However, I feel the need to defend my point by explaining that using any sighting system that is advanced past hand eye co-ordination makes the player focous exponetially more on their target therefore reducing their focus on their 360* surroundings. I also stated that this is more dependant on the players skill level, as with both eyes open you can train your conciousness to be more aware of movement in your perifferal vision. Where as an inexperienced player can get too "caught up in the moment" and will focus too much on making their shot on their newly aquired target.

So, you are a firm believer in the "spray and pray" and "blind fire" methods of target acquisition? Don't concentrate too much on hitting that target as you may miss an opportunity to sling paint at another target. Throw shots, really walk that trigger, in the general direction of your opponent, while continue to scan the rest of the field. Don't let your eyes fall on the target, they may get stuck there! Oh, and never ever post in wait for your opponent to pop out again 'cause you'll become too myopic (concentrating on that single event) to prevent another advancing opponent from bunkering you.

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Quite the opposite, I have a very accurate barrel, red dot sight and a semi automatic custom pro, I wear my hunting camoflauge and use team implied tactics. I figure there is only one hit and break that is going to count and get the opponent out so why not make it the one shot that you fire. If it makes you feel better we all know that tunnel vision is completley overcome by you and you have no need to worry about it, I also have overcome this. However, there are still players that succome to this and for them getting a red dot sight will not help eliminate this factor however as long as it is used properly I will agree that it will not create more of this problem and will only be an aid in consistency helping pull every ounce of accuracy out of whatever barrel they are using.


*In fact I am looking to get rid of the overated (in my opinion) double trigger as I find a single trigger more comfortable for slow ROF play.

I am wondering if we differ in our definitions of tunnel visionso here is mine: when a player focuses in one direction or on one target to the point where they become unaware of the location and movement of the rest of the opposing team, does not just relate to visual focus relates to mental focous and plannin also.


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I am wondering if we differ in our definitions of tunnel visionso here is mine: when a player focuses in one direction or on one target to the point where they become unaware of the location and movement of the rest of the opposing team, does not just relate to visual focus relates to mental focous and plannin also.

Our definitions are similar, we differ in that I do not believe such inattention is caused by or is exacerbated by the use of a red dot sight.

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I believe that the advantages of consitency/accuracy far outweigh the possible lack of focus that inexperienced players can succome to.
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Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

I would get a 40mm at least. Also I wouldn't buy from specops. I have had several bad experiances with them.


I wouldn't get a 40mm, i wouldnt get anything over a 30 mm because of the hopper.  On my a-5 and my friends cpro, there is a small piece of the hopper in the way.

Anyways, because of the way a red dot works, it could be 10 mm and be just as effective.
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Originally posted by TrivialBeing TrivialBeing wrote:

Originally posted by Bruce A. Frank Bruce A. Frank wrote:

Originally posted by TrivialBeing TrivialBeing wrote:

I have the red dot sight you origionally linked to and it seems fine to me, the different light intensity settings are great, and the 30mm seems fine, though I guess it can make you vulnerable to tunnel vision. Though that is more oreinted toward the skill of the player. Depending on your style of play that sight would be fine and judging by the fact that you want a red dot sight at all I think it would be fine for you... be careful of tunnel vision!

My goodness, the dreaded "tunnel vision" has raised its ugly head again. Gonna say it ONE MORE TIME, how can you get tunnel vision with BOTH EYES OPEN??? Red dot sights are used with both eyes open and there is no magnification. You get about as much "tunnel vision" using a Red Dot as you get from looking over the top f your barrel!!!



I agree that using a non magnifying scope does greatly reduce vulnerability to tunnel vision. However, I feel the need to defend my point by explaining that using any sighting system that is advanced past hand eye co-ordination makes the player focous exponetially more on their target therefore reducing their focus on their 360* surroundings. I also stated that this is more dependant on the players skill level, as with both eyes open you can train your conciousness to be more aware of movement in your perifferal vision. Where as an inexperienced player can get too "caught up in the moment" and will focus too much on making their shot on their newly aquired target.


Well, you may be right with whatever the heck it is you're trying to say..... but there is still absolutely no tunnel vision with a red dot, period.  Tunnel vision is being limited by a small, round view from looking through a scope with one eye open.  MAYBE it causes you to focus ?too much? on the target, but it's a completely different argument.

According to your argument, the ironsights on any weapon would cause you to focus too much on the front sight.  People who play with the equipment like, 2 times can figure out how to work it properly without bad results.
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yeah, I began to way over generalise in defense of my point and we got completley off topic my apologies.
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Don't get any scope period.Throw your money out the window instead becuase that is all your doing.  

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Originally posted by RavenGuard RavenGuard wrote:

Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

I would get a 40mm at least. Also I wouldn't buy from specops. I have had several bad experiances with them.


I wouldn't get a 40mm, i wouldnt get anything over a 30 mm because of the hopper.  On my a-5 and my friends cpro, there is a small piece of the hopper in the way.

Anyways, because of the way a red dot works, it could be 10 mm and be just as effective.


I'll be getting a 30mm a the least.
The "hopper in the way" problem I don't care much for, because I'll be getting a Tac-Cap shortly.
I've been practicing at Sgt.Sluggers the past 2 weeks filling/using roughly a 3rd of my hopper and I'm getting better at holding back my trigger-finger.
So the "hopper in the way" problem will cease to exist once I get my 50 round Tac-Cap.

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