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    Posted: 29 January 2006 at 11:15am
 I've just read some interesting reviews on the APEX barrel. So far I have never seen it in action, but it's seems to be an upgrade from the Flatline.
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Apex>Flatline. The Apex can do everything the Flatline can and more. And not at the expense of accuracy or the need to use high quality paint like the Flatline.
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Suzuki said it all.
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then why did you have to say something as well

 

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Hmmm... so the Apex is less picky about paint? Interesting.

How much less picky is it? In "straight" mode... does it shoot as far as the Flatline does?

I bought a Flatline for my 98 when it was first introduced. It saw use in one or two games and has been sitting in a gear bag ever since... eclipsed by the Lapco series.
But I've been seriously considering the A5 Flatline, as I've noticed it has less issues than the 98 one did (for whatever reasons). When the Apex came out... it just presented me with another choice. And I'm not good at choosing.
I was leaning towards the Flatline, since I've seen more of it in person and therefore didn't have to rely entirely on hearsay.
But if the Apex performs as well (not counting the side-curving shots, those are not important to me), and is indeed less picky on paint... perhaps I'll give that a chance.

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Originally posted by A-5Raven A-5Raven wrote:

 I've just read some interesting reviews on the APEX barrel. So far I have never seen it in action, but it's seems to be an upgrade from the Flatline.
Just a Suzuki said! You will find the Apex to offer everything that the Flatline has to offer and much more. Even if the Apex were limited to the Flatline trajectory shooting and did nothing more, it would still be superior due to the fact that it will do its thing with virtually any paint, any diameter paint, including the inexpensive ones.

The Apex is so tolerant of the cheaper paints that it will pay for itself very quickly in paint cost savings alone.

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  Thanks for the info. So far I think I'm going to go for the APEX.

 

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Originally posted by SuzukiRider987 SuzukiRider987 wrote:

Apex>Flatline. The Apex can do everything the Flatline can and more. And not at the expense of accuracy or the need to use high quality paint like the Flatline.


I assume that you mean that the apex is much more accurate than the flatline. How does it compare to a J&J or Lapco Bigshot for example?
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Originally posted by TrivialBeing TrivialBeing wrote:

Originally posted by SuzukiRider987 SuzukiRider987 wrote:

Apex>Flatline. The Apex can do everything the Flatline can and more. And not at the expense of accuracy or the need to use high quality paint like the Flatline.


I assume that you mean that the apex is much more accurate than the flatline. How does it compare to a J&J or Lapco Bigshot for example?
I have shot the Apex in tests making comparisons with J&J Ceramic, and several other barrels considered by many to be very accurate. I found the Apex to be equal to some and only slightly inferior to the best.

Point is that I have not found the Flatline inaccurate. It requires regular cleaning, some care in setup and top of the line correctly sized paint. If you can fulfill those requirements the Flatline shoots exactly equal to the best barrels out there, at those barrel's accurate distances. At extended range, where the others couldn't go, there was some drift due to air currents. But though there were some unexpected misses at long distances, there were hits that could not have been attempted with the other barrels.

The Apex, with some degree of spin dialed in, is excellent. With no spin dialed in it will not shoot as accurately as some of the best if you are shooting paint accurately matched to those barrels. When shooting field paint...where you have no say as to diameter, the Apex is equal to them...using the same paint.



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Thank you for your answer it is probably the most clear, concise, and supported answeres I have found on this site so far.
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Yeah, get the APEX if you want more range, and less breaks, with the cheapest paint you can buy.  Thank you for comparing the APEX to the j&j etc. now i can truly say that it is close in accuracy to these barrels to those who are scared they won't hit the target because of all the special features.

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Thanks to all from me, as well.

I think I'll give the Apex a shot. Just gotta make some sales to fund it.

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I really want to get an Apex as well - my biggest problem is choosing the threads I would want.  I already have a Flatline for the A-5, so I feel like I shouldn't get A-5 threads, but...   Oh, decisions, decisions!

 

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Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

I really want to get an Apex as well - my biggest problem is choosing the threads I would want.  I already have a Flatline for the A-5, so I feel like I shouldn't get A-5 threads, but...   Oh, decisions, decisions!


 

I feel ya on that one.

Debating whether to get one in A5 threading for use with the A5 and Carbines...

Or just go ahead and get one with Cocker threads, for use with my ChincoCocker, Timmy... and A5 with Lapco barrel adapter.

Right now... leaning towards Cocker threaded.
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I also want to toss in my thanks.  I've been considering an APEX, but keep seeing conflicting reviews.  Also, 99% of the time when I see this topic title, there's 50 people telling the poor guy to search and read the zillion threads on the subject.

I don't know about these other people, but most of the other threads are just full of conflicting accounts.  I think this is like the first one where I got to see someone say they compared it to a J&J (which is a barrel I was looking at getting) and it compared pretty well.

Any barrel that performs accurately in no-spin mode and can be set to handle some "reach out and touch someone" shots is a barrel I want on my A-5.

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Originally posted by ShortyBP ShortyBP wrote:

Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

I really want to get an Apex as well - my biggest problem is choosing the threads I would want.  I already have a Flatline for the A-5, so I feel like I shouldn't get A-5 threads, but...   Oh, decisions, decisions!


 

I feel ya on that one.

Debating whether to get one in A5 threading for use with the A5 and Carbines...

Or just go ahead and get one with Cocker threads, for use with my ChincoCocker, Timmy... and A5 with Lapco barrel adapter.

Right now... leaning towards Cocker threaded.


one of these days theyre going to have to make a standard threading for all guns like they have a fairly standard paintball calliber
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Originally posted by RavenGuard RavenGuard wrote:

Yeah, get the APEX if you want more range, and less breaks, with the cheapest paint you can buy.  Thank you for comparing the APEX to the j&j etc. now i can truly say that it is close in accuracy to these barrels to those who are scared they won't hit the target because of all the special features.

I love my APEX :)

Same here.  
Now I can go rub this thread into my 'lil bro's face.
Serves him right for saying my Apex couldn't compare to a j&j ceramic!

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Originally posted by JediJak JediJak wrote:


one of these days theyre going to have to make a standard threading for
all guns like they have a fairly standard paintball calliber
Don't count on it!

Paintball is still a profit-business. The more variances in threading, the more barrels one has to buy, the more money the industry makes.

While we are seeing some hints at standardization, especially in regards to many makers switching to Autococker threads... it won't be widespread.
It'd put barrel companies out of business.

It'd be nice in one sense... I'd love to have only 1-2 Lapco Bigshots instead of the 9 I have now. But in another sense, I'd rather keep Colin in business so others can enjoy his products.

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Hmm... where have i been? i havnt heard of an Apex barrel, time to do a search...
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my .02 on the apex barrel.  the range it can give you is incredible.  it is more than the flatline and more accurate at a given range than that flatline. The reality though is a paintball is not accurate at that range.  The dropshot is kind of cool on occation.  the curve shots I though to be kind of useless.  the apex is not going to be as accurate as a nice barrel at close range though.   The apex is kind of a novelty barrel to have in your bag of tricks.  in the right situation it is cool though.  nothing like droping a shot in on somone when a normal barrel would shoot right over them.

I have had SP progressive, J&J ceramic, apex, powerlyte kit.  I now just use my powerlyte kit mainly as I can just buy whatever premium paint is on sale.

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