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    Posted: 09 February 2006 at 3:11pm
Hey guys, I'm new to this forum, but not to paintball. I've played for almost 5 years and presently with a team located in Winnsboro, South Carolina. I wanted to share my knowledge with you from what I've learned about the Hammerhead barrel.
 
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In this thread, I will post a review of the Battle Stikxx, of the many Rifled barrels made by Hammerhead. My intention in this review is to simply give you all that I have observed in the last 3 weeks of testing. Please take note that I am not here to cut-down any other barrels out there and have respect for everyone's personal preference. I will simply provide you the facts for the sole purpose of you making a good decision when the day comes that you want a better barrel.

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A couple of months back I began to ask questions about the Hammerhead Barrel System. It made sense to me when I first heard about it and learned how worked that a rotating paintball would be more accurate vs. a paintball being shot with out rotation. But being that paintball is a fairly expensive sport and I'm not made of money, I didn't want to buy another barrel that was expensive, advertised (like every other barrel) to be accurate, and in the end took endless tweaking to get balls shooting straight –but not super accurate. Receiving positive feedback from Rembrandt, Little Ho, and jhardy66 concerning the Hammerhead, I figured that it was worth a try and being at the time I managed to get a couple things sold and I had the money to go for it.

So I got a hold of Robert Judson with Hammerhead and asked about the barrels and how they worked. Even while hearing good things, I was very skeptical about buying something that was advertised and said to be very accurate when almost every barrel on the market is advertised that way. One thing that impressed me was that I spent about 20 minutes on the phone with Robert as he walked me through how the barrel worked and what it should do that other barrels would not. It made sense to me and I was pretty sure that it would work, but still, I had to try to believe it. I thought that the 12in. Battle Stikxx would be a good barrel to start with so I got a Hammerhead kit containing one 12in. Battle Stikxx barrel, 5 fins (bore seizers), Lithium Grease Paint, and a stainless steel Hammerhead bore sizing kit. Off the bat, I was impressed with how important the matching of paint to barrel was along with the rifled inside of the barrel. Another thing I noticed was the the threading for the bore seizers were extremely tight. I asked Robert what the purpose of the threading was, he said that it was twice as small as regular aluminum bore sizing kits and that it matches the bore to the barrel better giving it an almost perfect match which would add increased accuracy

On Saturday, January 28th, I went with Pain-Cell to Saluda Paintball located in Honae Path. There, I extensively tested the accuracy of the barrel. Saluda Paintball was based right next to the Saluda River. The Saluda River had targets like rocks and trees that were as far as 200+ feet. In shooting the Hammerhead using a VF-Tactical Auto-Cocker with a Qloader and shooting Engage and Nightmare paint I was able to accurately hit rocks no less than 200 ft. with almost perfect accuracy. When shooting at the targets, the paintballs were hitting the splats made on the targets, this continued as long as I was shooting with the exception of a few rounds. The shot grouping was incredibly tight. I was completely astounded when I participated in a speedball tournament with 2 friends and was able to shoot 5 rounds and 3 of them hit my opponent just barely sticking out of a bunker. Spyderman, a member of Carolina Pain was helpful in helping me test this barrel. He assisted me as I walked 150-175 ft. away from him and allowed him to shoot me with the hammerhead to see for my self just how accurate it was. He shot 15 rounds at me with 7 rounds hitting me with the other rounds missing by inches -infact, I did move my stance a little to avoid getting hit so technically I should have been hit closer to 11 times. He then broke a paintball inside of the barrel and continued to fire in order to test the "self-cleaning" feature. The rounds were very inaccurate and few came close to me. Later on it was argued that nightmare and engage had very thick paint.

I also used my Auto-Cocker pump with the Hammerhead and compared it with my 16in. old school Freak Parts barrel which was accurate and quiet. The Hammerhead was just as accurate with the pump as it was with the VF-Tactical but was loud in comparison to the Freak Parts barrel. The accuracy of the Freak Parts barrel did not come to be as accurate as the Hammerhead. The extended distance that the hammerhead gave clearly outmatched the Freak Parts.

I tested the Hammerhead in rainy weather for 2 days. Testing in rainy weather, the Hammerhead did well, the self-cleaning in the barrel took care of water inside; it didn't disrupt its performance in accuracy and distance. Remembering the keep the barrel down helps a lot when playing in the rain. Windy weather did not affect the performance of the Hammerhead considerably, but it did make the paint fly a bit to the side. The Quality of paint is not as important as I thought it would be. I shot Draxus, Engage, Nightmare, Marbalizer, PMI, and even Wal-Mart paint and all shot well with the Hammerhead. When it comes to chopping a ball, I’ve found that it mainly depends on what kind of paint you using, if it is thick paint, you will have trouble self-cleaning the barrel and will probably need a swab, if you have thin paint, it is easier to self-clean with a few shots and your back to normal.

One thing that did get my attention is that as a result of the paint rotating through the air, it makes a very intimidating swooshing sound as it flies past your head. At first I thought that the gun was shooting hot when Spyderman was shooting at me, but it turns out that as the ball rotates, it creates a tornado like cone that drags behind it. It’s almost the same idea as a bullet. The science of the barrel with its function and the way the air is reacting to the paintball as it leaves the barrel the air is swooshing as the paintball travels through the air. Also, one thing that I’ve learned about the hammerhead is that it is a very unique barrel. As such, it has been made to fire paintballs no higher than 385fps. Any higher and the paintballs would break. This is not a bad thing, being that at 280fps. The ball goes farther and straighter than a normal aluminum barrel would.

In Conclusion:

After testing the barrel out for 4 play-days and 5 shooting days, I overall consider this barrel to be superior in accuracy and distance combined when compared to any other barrel system. It’s accuracy is superb and the paint goes straight on. Being a newly born pump player, accuracy is one of the most important things to have and the Hammerhead is the best that I have used. For accuracy I give the Hammerhead a 10 out of 10 The Hammerhead is not the quietest out there but is not the loudest either. For noise, I give Hammerhead a 6 out of 10. Self-Cleaning again, depends on your paint. For self-cleaning I give the Hammerhead a 6 out of 10.

After using this barrel, It’s become my favorite. It has rarely chopped for me in using Draxus, Marbalizer, Engage, Nightmare, PMI, and even Wal-Mart paints and has served me well on the field. I highly recommend this barrel to anyone who’s main desire for their marker is to have accuracy.


For more information pertaining to the Hammerhead Barrels feel free to visit their site.

www.hammerheadpaintball.com

If you have any comments/complaints/recommendations/additions/subtractions go ahead and place them here.

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I'm going to guess this is not a review from just "some user" and more than likely from an employee

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Hmmm, aren't you supposed to post for a few months and gain our trust before attempting product placement for the company you work for?
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The thought did occur to me, mbro.

But if so, it is unlawful and misleading advertising.  Notice the part where he says the Hammerhead got more distance than the Freak...

So, in the event that this is advertising (in violation of forum policy), I will leave it up just so people can see how some manufacturers will lie to sell product.

On the other hand, if this guy is not affiliated with Hammerhead, then it is just another user review, which you can judge on its own merits.



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Originally posted by Rambino Rambino wrote:

The thought did occur to me, mbro.


But if so, it is unlawful and misleading advertising.  Notice the part where he says the Hammerhead got more distance than the Freak...


So, in the event that this is advertising (in violation of forum policy), I will leave it up just so people can see how some manufacturers will lie to sell product.


On the other hand, if this guy is not affiliated with Hammerhead, then it is just another user review, which you can judge on its own merits.

Seems a bit over the top and long winded for just another user review.

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I read it. It's more or less in line with what I've read elsewhere...
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Hey steers, welcome to the forum. We really need someone else on here who spews uncontrollable amounts of BS technical info out of his rear end. We simply don't have enough of you people. The Hammerhead adds range even though that's impossible due to the laws of physics??? Wow, I must go out and buy one of these! They defy gravity! Can it travel through time as well?

Go back to your company and tell them everyone's had it with you all. Hammerhead barrels are a gimmick and they're overpriced. Rifling has been proven to have no positive effect on paintballs. It's sick that you people pray on innocent noobs who don't know any better. I hope your crappy company goes out of business.   
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Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

Seems a bit over the top and long winded for just another user review.


Sponsorship maybe? If he isnt an employee, then he is either bored, copy and pasted that from somewher else, or is sponsored by the company.

I know sponsorship has caused me to go through extra lengths to make a product seemd good, whether or not it was better on on the same level as another product.
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Originally posted by warbeak2099 warbeak2099 wrote:

Hey steers, welcome to the forum. We really need someone else on here who spews uncontrollable amounts of BS technical info out of his rear end. We simply don't have enough of you people. The Hammerhead adds range even though that's impossible due to the laws of physics??? Wow, I must go out and buy one of these! They defy gravity! Can it travel through time as well? 

 

hey now, we all know that only a super chromium barrel can travel through time....and since the star system got revamped, looks like a lot of new plats are gonna be traveling through time and defying physics

 

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Originally posted by warbeak2099 warbeak2099 wrote:

Hey steers, welcome to the forum. We really need someone else on here who spews uncontrollable amounts of BS technical info out of his rear end. We simply don't have enough of you people. The Hammerhead adds range even though that's impossible due to the laws of physics??? Wow, I must go out and buy one of these! They defy gravity! Can it travel through time as well?

Go back to your company and tell them everyone's had it with you all. Hammerhead barrels are a gimmick and they're overpriced. Rifling has been proven to have no positive effect on paintballs. It's sick that you people pray on innocent noobs who don't know any better. I hope your crappy company goes out of business.   

 

 

 

Hey man,

 

thanks for the warm welcome to the forum. I've been visiting this site for some time, but have just been to lazy to register. To those who took the time to insult my review and myself, no harm no foul. I do not work for Hammerhead nor am I sponcored by them right now.

I'm just simply sharing a good barrel that I found with y'all. It's well worth the money and I'm very happy with it's performance. Like you, I'm not made of money, and I actually got this barrel with the hope of buying a good quality barrel that I can share with you. I'm sorry for your misunderstanding.



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I would also respectfully like to say that I'm dissapointed with the first responces I've gotten on this site. Tippmann is one of the biggest names in paintball and here are the ambassadors to the forum. All though your thoughts and reasoning is good, insulting me, my review, and the hammerhead company, -who is completely innocent. (all though I did let them know that I was putting the review up).

Again, I'm not sponcored by them nor do I work for them. I'm a very experienced player when It comes to paintball and I don't appreciate these comments. Also, if the head of hammerhead were standing in front of you right now, could you say the same BS that you just said (without proper knowledge of the review or myself?)

 

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Well to the internet, dude. Prepare to take more flak. It's jsut a way of life around here. FWIW, your review jives with PBreview.com for the most part, so I believe you.
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Yawn, anything else you want to cry about?

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Lol, I was being sarcastic. That entire review was the biggest BS I've ever read.

No barrel shoots farther than another except for the apex and flatline. The hammerhead does not shoot farther than any other barrel at the same velocity.

No barrel will shoot well with water in the barrel. Even if it's teflon coated, it will still make some impression on the accuracy.

No barrel will shoot straight in heavily windy conditions.

Rifling does not work for paintball.

So basically you're full of it.      

Hammerheads have already been proven to be gimmicks. They are extremely expensive too. No one believes you, so cut it out. I say again, stop praying on noobs who don't know any better.
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Well, guys, I also have a Hammerhead kit. Though I also use an Apex I find that the Hammerhead is on my marker most of the time on our 140 ft long speedball fields.

The barrel is very accurate, but I do not find that it shoots clean even with thin paint. After a ball break it takes 20 to 30 shots before some semblance of accuracy returns. Even at that it does not go back to what it is when clean.

I find that larger diameter paint, paint that actually engages the top of the rifling lands, is more consistent shot to shot than medium to small diameter paint. I also find that paintballs with thicker paint are more consistent.

As for extended range. There is SOME debate as to the improved drag situation of a spinning ball projectile. There is some evidence that a round ball spinning on the axis of its trajectory has ever so slight less wind resistance than a non-spinning ball projectile.

Now the spin imparts gyroscopic stability even at the relatively low velocity of a paintball. So there is certainly potential for a rifled paintball barrel to be more accurate than a smooth bore. (Yes, even with a liquid filled paintball!) If spin made no difference on the paintball then the Flatline and the Apex would not shoot curved/flat trajectories.

I have done some accuracy testing with the Hammerhead as I have with the Flatline and the Apex. A search will probably turn up that/those posts. Since so many have expressed the opinion that the original post was long winded, I won't impose upon the group my penchant for informational bloviation.



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Originally posted by Bruce A. Frank Bruce A. Frank wrote:

Well, guys, I also have a Hammerhead kit. Though I also use an Apex I find that the Hammerhead is on my marker most of the time on our 140 ft long speedball fields.

The barrel is very accurate, but I do not find that it shoots clean even with thin paint. After a ball break it takes 20 to 30 shots before some semblance of accuracy returns. Even at that it does not go back to what it is when clean.

I find that larger diameter paint, paint that actually engages the top of the rifling lands, is more consistent shot to shot than medium to small diameter paint. I also find that paintballs with thicker paint are more consistent.

As for extended range. There is SOME debate as to the improved drag situation of a spinning ball projectile. There is some evidence that a round ball spinning on the axis of its trajectory has ever so slight less wind resistance than a non-spinning ball projectile.

Now the spin imparts gyroscopic stability even at the relatively low velocity of a paintball. So there is certainly potential for a rifled paintball barrel to be more accurate than a smooth bore. (Yes, even with a liquid filled paintball!)

I have done some accuracy testing with the Hammerhead as I have with the Flatline and the Apex. A search will probably turn up that/those posts. Since so many have expressed the opinion that the original post was long winded, I won't impose upon the group my penchant for informational bloviation.

 

 

thanks for your input.

 

Before people come up and start being stupid

 

ask yourself these questions:

 

Do you sound arrogant in your posting when other people read it? -your character flaw

Have you used the product thorougly and know what your talking about?

How experienced of a player are you?

I'm not trying to step on buttons but ya'll have stepped on mine. You all sound like you have nothing better to do than mess with me with out asking questions.

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Considered reviews are always welcome, Bruce.  We just try to draw the line at unsupported puffery.

Yes, there is some debate about the possible effects of axis-of-travel rotation on a paintball.  I have an ongoing discussion on the subject with some of my engineer/scientist friends.  Our theoretical conclusions are that there could not be a meaningful drag reduction (unlike transverse rotation), but that there may be some discussion on the potential gyroscopic effects, which might improve flight consistency but not distance.

Overall, though, we question the extent to which a barrel is able to impart meaningful axis-of-travel rotation to begin with.  Paintball barrels don't grab a ball as tightly as a rifle barrel, for instance.

But, theoretical considerations aside, any barrel that claims "rifling" has a serious uphill battle ahead - simply because we have all read and heard about "rifled" barrels over the years that time after time turned out to be average at best, and quite inferior at worst.

To the original poster - if you are not affiliated with Hammerhead, you are of course welcome to post your thoughts on the barrel.  That does not, however, protect you from the counter-opinions of other members.  You claim to have lurked here for a while - your initial and follow-up posts lead me to doubt that claim, and so I encourage you to read all the stickies in the forums, and read some of the other topical discussions.  You will find that the reactions to your initial post were quite predictable.  Had you lurked for a while, you would also have known that we are frequently inundated by spam-advertisers whose posts look a lot like yours.  You would also have known not to get offended at the responses.  I encourage you to develop a slightly thicker skin and to stick around.

That said, welcome to the forum.

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Originally posted by steers steers wrote:

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thanks for your input.

 

Before people come up and start being stupid

 

ask yourself these questions:

 

Do you sound arrogant in your posting when other people read it? -your character flaw

Have you used the product thorougly and know what your talking about?

How experienced of a player are you?

I'm not trying to step on buttons but ya'll have stepped on mine. You all sound like you have nothing better to do than mess with me with out asking questions.

yes, some of us do sound arrogant, and like myself are proud of it in a twisted sort of way. flaws arent necesarily bad, what was the last DECENT movie you saw where all the characters were perfect and had zero flaws. second, mabye they have used this equipment for a while and found it to be the way they claim. and third, i wouldnt really doubt the experience of the people here, even though some dont play anymore, theyve still got more experience than a lot of people....and ooo we "messed" with you without asking questions.....we joke around a lot here....get used to it

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