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    Posted: 14 February 2006 at 8:40pm

Hi, I'm fairly new to paintballing, but I've been doing my research. I just bought the Custom Pro and would like to follow a path of upgrades to make it efficient as possible. I've got a lot of ideas going through my head so this post might get a little confusing. I guess I'll just post my questions and thoughts and let you guys confirm, critic, and add to them. Also, I've read a couple of the sticky'd topics and these gave me ideas, but some of them went back and forth and left me unsure.

LIKELY ORDER OF UPGRADES

Barrel:  Either 12" bigshot or j&j, this doesn't have a lot to do with efficiency so i guess you don't need to put to much in on this, just reccomend one and say why.

mods from model98.org - use tank o-ring on front bolt to seal it better from backpressure, polish internals, fix trigger slop, all the other trigger mods, and the graphite lubricant thing (not sure if the graphite thing is good or not, anyone who recommends it or warns away from it?)

DOP/Proseal power tube and front bolt - is this a decent choice? what else is out there and how do they compare?

FOLLOWING UPGRADES AREN'T IN ANY ORDER (LET ME KNOW WHAT ORDER IS BEST)

R/T trigger-  i'd like to stay mechanical. I've also heard the R/T has more potential than the E-grip. I've heard of the super R/T and would definitely like to go with it.

what is different about the super R/T? where can i get it?

What does QEV stand for? what does it do? (i know it has to do with the cyclone and increasing ball feed)

obviously for efficiency I need to go with something besides CO2. This leaves me with HPA/Nitrogen. Are HPA and N2 two seperate options or is N2 a form of HPA? Basicly let me know what the best way to go is for this upgrade.

Palmer stabilizer/regulator - from what I know this is a must for efficiency. Please explain my options and any other upgrades that would go along with it.

no expansion chamber if i'm going to HPA/N2 because it won't make a difference, correct?

Can't think of anything else right now, thanks for your help. I know this is a lot of questions and might require one of you experts! Thanks again! 

 



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Get.12".Bigshot

R/T.is.more.efficient.I.guess.,but.it's.illegal.@.a.lot.of.p laces

QEV.stands.for.Quick.Exhaust.Valve,it.releases.more.air.to.t he.cyclone

HPA&N2.are.the.same.thing,just.get.a.crossfire.carbon.fi ber.tank




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Originally posted by Gulfster Gulfster wrote:

Hi, I'm fairly new to paintballing, but I've been doing my research. I just bought the Custom Pro and would like to follow a path of upgrades to make it efficient as possible. I've got a lot of ideas going through my head so this post might get a little confusing. I guess I'll just post my questions and thoughts and let you guys confirm, critic, and add to them. Also, I've read a couple of the sticky'd topics and these gave me ideas, but some of them went back and forth and left me unsure.

LIKELY ORDER OF UPGRADES

Barrel:  Either 12" bigshot or j&j, this doesn't have a lot to do with efficiency so i guess you don't need to put to much in on this, just reccomend one and say why. Bigshot, because they're more accurate than the J&J's, and are just overall better. 

mods from model98.org - use tank o-ring on front bolt to seal it better from backpressure, polish internals, fix trigger slop, all the other trigger mods, and the graphite lubricant thing (not sure if the graphite thing is good or not, anyone who recommends it or warns away from it?) I'd stay away from the graphite, and just use gun oil.

DOP/Proseal power tube and front bolt - is this a decent choice? what else is out there and how do they compare? IMO, the stock internals are best. Aftermarket internals are a waste of $, and really don't increase performance that much.

FOLLOWING UPGRADES AREN'T IN ANY ORDER (LET ME KNOW WHAT ORDER IS BEST)

R/T trigger-  i'd like to stay mechanical. I've also heard the R/T has more potential than the E-grip. I've heard of the super R/T and would definitely like to go with it. The R/T is a great upgrade to get. Defiantly worth the $. Just be carefull if you play speedball, becuase some fields don't allow the R/T.

what is different about the super R/T? where can i get it? To do the super R/T mod, all you have to do is replace the stock R/T hose and fittings with larger ones, which you get from Tippmann. Just call Tippmann, tell them you have the R/T and LPK (even if you don't), and ask for the larger hose and fittings. Then replace old with new. The larger hose/fittings allow for greater air flow, making the R/T mopre responsive, meaning faster rates of fire.

What does QEV stand for? what does it do? (i know it has to do with the cyclone and increasing ball feed) QEV stands for Quick Ehaust Valve. Basicly it vents exhaust air, allowing for faster operation of the Cyclone.

obviously for efficiency I need to go with something besides CO2. This leaves me with HPA/Nitrogen. Are HPA and N2 two seperate options or is N2 a form of HPA? Basicly let me know what the best way to go is for this upgrade. HPA and Nitogen are the same thing in the paintball world. So just get a good HPA tank (Crossfire), and you're good to go. Just make sure you get a High Output tank.

Palmer stabilizer/regulator - from what I know this is a must for efficiency. Please explain my options and any other upgrades that would go along with it. The Stab's are great. They will increase consistency and possibly efficiency when using HPA. I'd suggest that you get the Male version, as where you'd need a Vertical Adapter also.

no expansion chamber if i'm going to HPA/N2 because it won't make a difference, correct? Correct.

Can't think of anything else right now, thanks for your help. I know this is a lot of questions and might require one of you experts! Thanks again! Your welcome :)

 

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Originally posted by hybrid-sniper hybrid-sniper wrote:

Don't make multiple threads asking the same thing.

  Wow Hybrid. Both you and I answered the same questions (due to his 2x post) at the same time (8:54), in almost the same way (you in NP's, me in U&C).

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Originally posted by JcKa JcKa wrote:

Get.12".Bigshot

R/T.is.more.efficient.I.guess.,but.it's.illegal.@.a.lot.of.p laces

QEV.stands.for.Quick.Exhaust.Valve,it.releases.more.air.to.t he.cyclone

HPA&N2.are.the.same.thing,just.get.a.crossfire.carbon.fi ber.tank






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Originally posted by SuzukiRider987 SuzukiRider987 wrote:

Originally posted by hybrid-sniper hybrid-sniper wrote:

Don't make multiple threads asking the same thing.

  Wow Hybrid. Both you and I answered the same questions (due to his 2x post) at the same time (8:54), in almost the same way (you in NP's, me in U&C).

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Sorry about posting it twice. I just wanted to maximize the speed of my results, won't happen again. 

Thanks for all your help.

Just curious about LPK. What is it and why would it require bigger hoses? Is it something I should look ... nevermind. Figured out it's low pressure kit.

anyways, is the LPK something I should look in to? By its name I'm assuming it just lowers operating pressure and therefore saves air. Is it compatable with the other stuff mentioned?

As for the QEV, even though it isn't necessary, where can I get it?

For the palmer stabilizer ill need - palmer male stab(from the palmer pursuit website?), vertical adapter, new hoses? how long?, anything else? Are there any other websites that the stabilizer is cheaper at? If there is more stuff required, is it available in a package anywhere?

sorry about all the questions, Thanks.

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one more thing,

I'm not going to be playing speedball, so thats not a concern.

Also, for filling up the HPA tank. Can I also do that at places that fill up CO2 (like sports authority), or must that be done at paintball shops / fields?

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Originally posted by Gulfster Gulfster wrote:

Sorry about posting it twice. I just wanted to maximize the speed of my results, won't happen again. 

Thanks for all your help.

Just curious about LPK. What is it and why would it require bigger hoses? Is it something I should look ... nevermind. Figured out it's low pressure kit.

anyways, is the LPK something I should look in to? By its name I'm assuming it just lowers operating pressure and therefore saves air. Is it compatable with the other stuff mentioned? The LPK reduces operating pressure to about 350-400 psi, yes it saves air and also reduces noise. from what i hear its not worth it. Yes it is compatible with the other stuff you mentioned.

As for the QEV, even though it isn't necessary, where can I get it? You can get it from Palmer-Pursuit.com

For the palmer stabilizer ill need - palmer male stab(from the palmer pursuit website?), vertical adapter, new hoses? how long?, anything else? Are there any other websites that the stabilizer is cheaper at? If there is more stuff required, is it available in a package anywhere? Yes, you need new hoses. You can get a macro line kit with 3-12in hoses a 90* fitting and a straight fitting. Froogle "Male Palmers Stabilizer" and look for the best price. You've stated everything you need in your post.

sorry about all the questions, Thanks.

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Originally posted by Gulfster Gulfster wrote:

one more thing,

I'm not going to be playing speedball, so thats not a concern.

Also, for filling up the HPA tank. Can I also do that at places that fill up CO2 (like sports authority), or must that be done at paintball shops / fields? You can get it filled up any where that fills up compressed air up to 3000 psi. Scuba shops have compressed air and of course paintball shops.



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If I'm getting the LPK which QEV do I go with? When I read the desciption for the LP QEV it says if you have the RT to get the HP QEV. Which one do I get? Do I just buy the QEV by itself?

Also, do I need this adapter for the cyclone and R/T? http://www.tippmannparts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.pr odInfo&productID=736&categoryID=49

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Also, tippmanpros.com says you need an addition regulator for the LPK. Does this mean i need this http://www.tippmannpros.com/Tippmann-Inline-Regulator-P107C4 7.aspx ? Or is that what my palmers will be for?

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Originally posted by Gulfster Gulfster wrote:

Also, tippmanpros.com says you need an addition regulator for the LPK. Does this mean i need this http://www.tippmannpros.com/Tippmann-Inline-Regulator-P107C4 7.aspx ? Or is that what my palmers will be for?

 I wouldn't get the LPK. But if you do get the LPK, then yes, your palmers (Male version for the LPK) is your secondary regulator.

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I respect anyones advice on here because you all are more experienced then me, but what are some reasons why not to get the LPK? Also, any answers for my question above (about the QEV) if I were to get the LPK? Thanks.

Edit: About my barrel, what difference would there be if I got the 8" bigshot instead of the 12"? (the only reason i ask this is because the 8" is obviously more compact) 



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I have a lpk on my 98c and i havent noticed any increase in performance at all other than it may be a bit smoother but for me i wish i could get my money out of that mod.
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Originally posted by Gulfster Gulfster wrote:

I respect anyones advice on here because you all are more experienced then me, but what are some reasons why not to get the LPK? Also, any answers for my question above (about the QEV) if I were to get the LPK? Thanks.

Edit: About my barrel, what difference would there be if I got the 8" bigshot instead of the 12"? (the only reason i ask this is because the 8" is obviously more compact) 

I'm not sure what is wrong with the LPK I haven't used one or no anyone with one however sometimes people say it's not worth $100.

A 8" barrel would be about the same as a 12" and they say a shorter barrel will use less air which means more shots per tank.

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cyclone+response trigger+palmer's stab.= a very reliable, highly diversified and efficient marker(by efficient, i mean you will be able to get the job done fairly easily) - it does'nt get the greatest "gas mileage" only when you are shooting alot, if you control yourself, it will be great!!!
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Originally posted by Gulfster Gulfster wrote:

I respect anyones advice on here because you all are more experienced then me, but what are some reasons why not to get the LPK? Also, any answers for my question above (about the QEV) if I were to get the LPK? Thanks.

Edit: About my barrel, what difference would there be if I got the 8" bigshot instead of the 12"? (the only reason i ask this is because the 8" is obviously more compact) 

   Really, it's your choice if you want the LPK. IMHO, it's not worth it. I mean, reduced kick and lower operating pressures aren't worth the $100, plus the cost of a secondary reg IMO. I feel that there are better things to spend your $ on. And I believe you'll want the LP QEV.

   As for the barrel lengths. Performance wise, there will not be a difference between the 8'' and 12" barrels. So, get whatever you feel you want, and will benefit your game the most.

  



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