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    Posted: 03 May 2006 at 4:41pm
Why does he live? Seirosuly?

He's made countless admissions to wanting to kill AMericans, to being part of Al-Queda, and he said he was supposed ot be one of the hijackers.

Why does he live?

This is just a moral victory for terrorist everywhere-- we dont punish terrorist, instead we give them a better life then they had in whatever "poop"hole they came from.

Edited by Linus - 03 May 2006 at 4:41pm

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did he actually do anything?  or was he just supposed to?


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id say put him into a military prison

you know with the people who torture people for a living, but got into trouble and got sent to prison

a life of torture is better


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Linus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2006 at 4:46pm
Originally posted by procarbinefreak procarbinefreak wrote:

did he actually do anything?  or was he just supposed to?
He admitted that he was supposed ot be one of the people on the planes and was sup[posed to kill Americans...

"Moussaoui has pleaded guilty to six counts of conspiracy in the only case brought in the United States in connection with the deadly hijacked airliner attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people. "

It's only conspiracy because we got to him first.

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He wanted to die, we're denying him that chance. I think it's just.

Al-Queda didn't even want him to be part of it, they thought he was too obvious for an operative, and too dumb to learn to fly. They proved to be right. The man is a wannabe. Ley's not turn this loser into a martyr.

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Jury has to be unanimous for the death penalty.
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Him dead = Him Hero

Him tortured = Our victory

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well... there is a difference... it's like saying i was supposed to go out tonight and kill a few people... but i had to help my mom clean the house...


or saying i was supposed to go sell some heroin but i didn't


i'm not saying that i wanted him to live... but i'm just saying there probably wasn't enough to put him to death. 

just playing the devil's advocate here
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Originally posted by NotDaveEllis NotDaveEllis wrote:

Jury has to be unanimous for the death penalty.
Which is why they should have debated until it became a hung jury (no pun intended)

That way, new jury.


And procarb, no. Your example isnt a conspiracy.

He had plans, he was going to do it, but got arrested.

In your example, you chose not to do it, no longer making it a viable threat (though in the future maybe...)


Dai Hui- him dead = dead martyr, but dead terrorist.

Him tortured = more worldwide outrage

Him in jail = terrorist now think w'ere too soft on terrorism. If he gets broken out, whats to say he wont kill Americans? Whats to say he wont kill prisoners?

I just hope a prisoner hates him enough that they finish the job...

Edited by Linus - 03 May 2006 at 4:52pm

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I am surprised by how little I care.

Glad they got him, glad they convicted him, but death vs. life?  I honestly have no opinion.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by NotDaveEllis NotDaveEllis wrote:

Jury has to be unanimous for the death penalty.
Which is why they should have debated until it became a hung jury (no pun intended)

That way, new jury.


And procarb, no. Your example isnt a conspiracy.

He had plans, he was going to do it, but got arrested.

In your example, you chose not to do it, no longer making it a viable threat (though in the future maybe...)


Dai Hui- him dead = dead martyr, but dead terrorist.

Him tortured = more worldwide outrage

Him in jail = terrorist now think w'ere too soft on terrorism. If he gets broken out, whats to say he wont kill Americans? Whats to say he wont kill prisoners?

I just hope a prisoner hates him enough that they finish the job...
Doubt it Al Quida has already said he was an embarrastment to their group.

If he gets tortured yes their will be outrage but also other terrorists will realize how much we despise them. Yes this is rather over the top idea but everywon here wants to know that he is in pain.

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I'd kind of like him thrown in a hole and forgotten about. Is the blink sheik still in prision? Did he die there yet? People can forget people like that exist.
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Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

If he gets tortured yes their will be outrage but also other terrorists will realize how much we despise them. Yes this is rather over the top idea but everywon here wants to know that he is in pain.

Hey, I hate terrorist as much as the next guy (Atleast I hope the next guy hates them a lot), and if given 10 minutes alone with one.. no telling what I would do to show them how much hatred I have for people of their kind...

But, it's not the terrorist we need to show. It's the world.

I am all for torture for info and saving lives, but torturing in prison steps over the bounds, even for me, and the world would not stand for it.

I say force him to do everything not allowed by his religion.. make himd rink alcohol, etc etc, then kill him and dont give him the honor of having a buriel from his religion.

It's NOT a diss to Islam.. it's a diss to him.

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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

I am surprised by how little I care.

Glad they got him, glad they convicted him, but death vs. life?  I honestly have no opinion.

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Linus,  I stand by the same view I had in the last thread I posted in.

Give him life in prison, not some famous huge prison, some random "average" Prison.  Give him no special treatment, treat him EXACTLY like the burgler in the cell next to him and the drug dealer accross from him.  Stop covering this trial now, never mention him again on the news, stop showing his face, stop saying his name on the media.  The whole point of his mission was not so much to kill people as it was to invoke fear and spread their message.  Yes, the objective was to bomb this places and kill thousands but the point was to spread fear.  You keep publicizing him and he becomes a martyr.  Hes already a martyr in fact, treat him like your average prison scum and hes just another criminal, the LAST thing he'd want. 

No solitary confinement, no extra guarded cell, no special treatment or markings. 
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Originally posted by Da Hui Da Hui wrote:

Him dead = Him Hero


Him tortured = Our victory



To die by the infadels hands is one of the worst things they can do. Thats why they will blow themselves up or kills themselves when in danger of being captured.
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God, a lot of you are no better than the people we are fighting....torture...please.

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my point is linus... saying you were going to do something isn't enough reason for a death sentence.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cedric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2006 at 6:05pm
I'm glad he's in jail, but I don't think he deserves the death penalty. Well, I don't think anyone deserves the death penalty.

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Live or die, he's never going to bother anyone again.

However I laughed when he said that America had lost because we had not given him the death penalty. I laughed because it is we who decided against killing him. He doesn't consider that his life was spared because we stuck to our justice system. We won in this case because we did not bend the rules to satisfy a morbid emotional response.

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