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    Posted: 29 September 2006 at 2:05pm

Another week, another school shooting.

I don't recall hearing about any school shootings elsewhere in the world (terrorist attacks don't count).  I'm sure they occur, but resumably not with our frequency. 

This can't be random.  Any thoughts on causes of this behavior?

I have some half-baked theories, but I'm curious to see what people think.
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Kids suck?

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Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

Kids suck?

That is one theory, but given that nobody seems to be shooting up the schools in France, it should properly stated as "American kids suck, and other kids don't".
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I think it is pathetic.  In Montreal(sp) the kid had an automatic weapon, yet he only killed one person.  In Colorado, the guy only killed one person, but at one point he had six hostages.  Cmon guys, it can't be that hard.
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Actually, I had forgotten about Montreal guy.  To some extent that argues against my "it's only Americans" theory, although there is obviously significant cultural overlap with Canadians (even the Frenchies).
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To your credit, they are Americans as well.  A different breed, but Americans all the same.

What other school shootings have occoured recently?
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One in Wisconsin today, another in Wisconsin narrowly averted a couple of weeks ago.
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there was a school shooting in WI today?
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i dont no what else to do... other then turn our schools into jails basically
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Maybe if people hugged each other more, this wouldn't happen.

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Maybe the legal types doing all they can to blame everything and everybody but the perp's personal responsibility for crimes?

Current child and minor criminal laws not an effective deterant?

And the ever present video game/music and violence therories?

Guns are just a tool, the gun does not kill, the individual who pulls the trigger kills, contrary to some beliefs.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Maybe the legal types doing all they can to blame everything and everybody but the perp's personal responsibility for crimes?

Current child and minor criminal laws not an effective deterant?

And the ever present video game/music and violence therories?

Guns are just a tool, the gun does not kill, the individual who pulls the trigger kills, contrary to some beliefs.


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Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Maybe if people hugged each other more, this wouldn't happen.


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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

Kids suck?

That is one theory, but given that nobody seems to be shooting up the schools in France, it should properly stated as "American kids suck, and other kids don't".


That one shooting with the hostages wasn't a kid..
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Maybe the legal types doing all they can to blame everything and everybody but the perp's personal responsibility for crimes?

Can I restate your point as "we have created a culture with a lack of a sense of personal responsibility"?

Quote Current child and minor criminal laws not an effective deterant?

But our laws are much harsher than similar laws in Europe, for instance.  Shouldn't they have more shootings in Europe?

Quote And the ever present video game/music and violence therories?

This factor also is similarly in place in Europe and East Asia, but (TMK) they don't have school shootings.

Quote Guns are just a tool

I'm not sure that's quite true.  Guns are also a cultural phenomeon, particularly in this country.  Guns have a place in our culture, and I don't think we can easily discount the impact of guns on our behavior.

I don't think (of course) that there is a single cause of this behavior, but the out of proportion frequency in the US does lead me to believe that there is something going on here.
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Originally posted by Apotheosis Apotheosis wrote:

I think it is pathetic.  In Montreal(sp) the kid had an automatic weapon, yet he only killed one person.  In Colorado, the guy only killed one person, but at one point he had six hostages.  Cmon guys, it can't be that hard.
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i blame video games.
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haha actually did an essay on that... found a graph showing that violent crimes have decreased since video game consoles were made

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