Heaven...?

So I got to thinking.

Over the past weeks or so I have been questioning my faith (Catholicism).  I've thought and thought and finally come to my own conclusion about the existence of Christ and God, so on and so forth.  Anyways, these thoughts lead me to a question.

What is Heaven?

I always thought (In my Catholic days) that it would be a place where everything is perfect in every way, shape, and form.  I'm guessing that most of the Catholic community thinks the same way.  Correct me if I'm wrong on that assumption. 

If Heaven is a place where everything is perfect, how can you appreciate it?  If you are a millionaire and given a Dodge, you won't care.  You haven't gone through the pain of not having a car or the money to purchase one.  You would most likely choose to have a Ferrari or a Lamborghini of some sort.  You have to know pain and hardship to appreciate the things given to you.  Does this occur in "Heaven"?

Also, to do everything that you enjoy in "Heaven" for all eternity has to be hell, right?  You can do everything that could ever be conceived by the human mind and still, eventually, get bored; and then what?  Do you sit (or hover, if you have angel wings) on your butt and chill for eternity?  That's a hell if I ever heard it.

Opinions? Comments?  I would really like to hear them.

Peace

Im protestant, It simple for me. Heaven is where everything is perfect and we wont need anything. 

if heaven exsists, i doubt we can comprihend it atm.

FROG MAN wrote: if heaven exsists, i doubt we can comprihend it atm.

So does your "soul" change when you go to "heaven" so you can?  You won't be the same person when you get to the Pearly gates, so...?  I think i'm getting myself confused now.  crap.

i always felt like heaven was the moment in time that makes you the happiest. they say heaven is different for everyone else, so i guess it makes sense? or you could always go with what cartman says, heaven is 10,000 dollars cash

FROG MAN wrote: DarkSideEchoes wrote: FROG MAN wrote: if heaven exsists, i doubt we can comprihend it atm. So does your "soul" change when you go to "heaven" so you can?  You won't be the same person when you get to the Pearly gates, so...?  I think i'm getting myself confused now.  crap. well the way i think about it, (if your christian), when we were created, we were created to think, and live within laws of the world. These laws limit are knowledge of spirit or soul, and can confuse us, when we leave this world, the boundries created by god are gone, and we will understand.... well everything. edit, example, a dog can learn? yes, cand a dog learn physics? no, So whats saying that the human mind isnt also confind by boundries

A Dog can learn physics.  Every organism on this planet has to learn the principles of physics to survive.  A dog can calculate when and where a ball will land, and doing so can jump up and catch it mid-air. 

Anyways, after saying that, I do not think that the mind has boundaries.  Take hallucinogenic drugs, for example.  Drugs don't do anything, they are just chemicals.  When they get put in your brain, it is motivated to produce colors, shapes, and in the most extreme cases, out of body experiences.  As far as learning goes, all the brain needs is time.  While some brains may be slower (dogs) and some faster (humans), both of them can learn things just at a different pace.  Our organs give out which can inhibit our ability to keep learning. 

Damn that was deep as hell.  Rock.

DarkSideEchoes wrote: FROG MAN wrote: DarkSideEchoes wrote: FROG MAN wrote: if heaven exsists, i doubt we can comprihend it atm. So does your "soul" change when you go to "heaven" so you can?  You won't be the same person when you get to the Pearly gates, so...?  I think i'm getting myself confused now.  crap. well the way i think about it, (if your christian), when we were created, we were created to think, and live within laws of the world. These laws limit are knowledge of spirit or soul, and can confuse us, when we leave this world, the boundries created by god are gone, and we will understand.... well everything. edit, example, a dog can learn? yes, cand a dog learn physics? no, So whats saying that the human mind isnt also confind by boundries A Dog can learn physics.  Every organism on this planet has to learn the principles of physics to survive.  A dog can calculate when and where a ball will land, and doing so can jump up and catch it mid-air.  Anyways, after saying that, I do not think that the mind has boundaries.  Take hallucinogenic drugs, for example.  Drugs don't do anything, they are just chemicals.  When they get put in your brain, it is motivated to produce colors, shapes, and in the most extreme cases, out of body experiences.  As far as learning goes, all the brain needs is time.  While some brains may be slower (dogs) and some faster (humans), both of them can learn things just at a different pace.  Our organs give out which can inhibit our ability to keep learning.  Damn that was deep as hell.  Rock.

hmmm, i dont know enough about the brain, but i do belive there is going to be, or already is concepts that exsists in all fields of science that are brains cant comprihend, but its funny because if that does exsist we wont ever know

also, if are sense of taste was gone, could we comprehend how anything tatses (past the fact of texture etc...) or if everything in the world was colour blind.. could we comprihend colour?

im not trying to blasphemy anyone but i dont believe in or think there is a heaven, hell, god, or any of that other stuff. the only religion i think is 'real' is buddhism, because they basically live your life the way you want and if buddah isnt right for you then find something else, keep in mind this is a vast simplification of there text.

imo, religion is a scapegoat for people who cant blame there problems on themselves.
(sorry if i offend anyone)  

I'm currently Atheist after about a year of questioning I came to the conclusion that belief in god is on the same level as santa claus. Its used to explain things we cant at the moment. Example "I dont know how the earth came to be so it must be god." Things such as that are what made me come to the conclusion that its just an easy way of saying how something works.



Edited by ANARCHY_SCOUT - 05 March 2007 at 12:29am

Squishey wrote: im not trying to blasphemy anyone but i dont believe in or think there is a heaven, hell, god, or any of that other stuff. the only religion i think is 'real' is buddhism, because they basically live your life the way you want and if buddah isnt right for you then find something else, keep in mind this is a vast simplification of there text. imo, religion is a scapegoat for people who cant blame there problems on themselves. (sorry if i offend anyone)

I don't like to offend people either but I think thats the basic jist of it simplified immensely.  I agree and do not mean to offend anybody by claiming that.