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    Posted: 28 September 2007 at 11:24pm
On my Tippmann A5 can you use Compressed Air with a expansion chamber? cause i want to buy a expansion chamber for my CO2, and i am also looking to buy a Compressed Air tank. Also what is the difference btw 45/4500psi, 68/4500psi, 70/4500psi, 48/3000, 72/3000 and ect..?
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x chamber will work with hpa but its useless lol even with co2 its kindof a waste of money less ur playing in the winter. buy a regulator, i know its more expensive but it will work with both co2 and hpa (palmers is best for co2)

 

with the numbers, the first number is the size of the tank.. the second is the max psi rating.....

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The higher the first number means the more shots per tank.  You should also use the search button at the top of the screen.

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The more psi, the more air the tank holds.
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Oh boy. Okay, here's the deal. Yes, you CAN use an X-chamber with HPA, but some chambers (such as the ACI series) tend to have several "stages" which are basically filters that slow down the flow of CO2 allowing it to fully expand before reaching your marker. Now, sometimes these stages will actually reduce the flow-rate of HPA to a point where it can be problematic for your marker. It's rare, but it can happen. So, if you are going to use an X-Chamber for a while and then eventually switch to HPA, I would suggest gutting the x-chamber to make it a gas-thru grip so you don't have to worry about flow restrictions.

Now, for the tank sizes, anymore it's pretty pointless to go with anything that holds less than 4500psi of pressure. The PSI is the second number in the series. The first number is the volume of the tank. For example, a 68/4500 tank is 68 cubic inches in volume at 4500psi of pressure. So, if you were to compare a 68/3000 vs a 68/4500, you would get 50% more shots out of the 68/4500 than the 68/3000. So, if you get around 500 shots out of a 68/3000 you'd get 750 shots out of a 68/4500. PSI has far more bearing on how many shots you get than the volume of the tank.

Just make sure to buy a tank that meets your needs. If you're using a standard A-5 without the LPK, then get a high-pressure-output tank. If you aren't using an LPK, a reg isn't really necessary since the marker is designed to operate at around 800-850psi and the output from an HPA tank is constant, meaning no pressure spikes/drops like you get with CO2.

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Ok so i can use a HPA tank on my A5. but does it have to be a High Pressure or a Low Pressure if i dont have the LPK?


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High Pressure Output. All HPA tanks are inherently "High Pressure" it's the output pressure of the preset reg that concerns you.
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How do i find the right preset reg for my gun?


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Well, most places that sell HPA tanks will tell you if it's a high-output or low-output tank. Also, you can ask what the output pressure is. Anything lower than 800psi isn't going to work well with a stock valve set-up on a tippmann.
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ok thx. so ill ask the local paintball dealer to know what is best for me.
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Oh boy. Okay, here's the deal. Yes, you CAN use an X-chamber with HPA, but some chambers (such as the ACI series) tend to have several "stages" which are basically filters that slow down the flow of CO2 allowing it to fully expand before reaching your marker. Now, sometimes these stages will actually reduce the flow-rate of HPA to a point where it can be problematic for your marker. It's rare, but it can happen. So, if you are going to use an X-Chamber for a while and then eventually switch to HPA, I would suggest gutting the x-chamber to make it a gas-thru grip so you don't have to worry about flow restrictions.

I don't see how the stages in an expansion chamber would inhibit compressed air entering the gun.  Those stages are meant to stop liquid C02 from getting into the gun.  It allows the liquid to expand into gas before it reaches the gun.  I have the 8-Stage X-Core on my A-5 still even now that I use HPA.  I have never had an issue of starving the gun for air.  I've emptied my hopper on full auto on several occasions without a drop in pressure or consistency. 

Quote Now, for the tank sizes, anymore it's pretty pointless to go with anything that holds less than 4500psi of pressure.

This isn't necessarily true.  He should check to see if his paintball shop can actually fill to 4500psi before $pending the money on size tank.  I've been to several shops that can only fill up to 3000psi.  What would be the point in getting a more expen$ive tank if it can't be fully utilized?  3000psi tanks are fine, especially if you play on a field that offers all-day air for a minimal charge.  This is why I only use 3000psi tanks in my area.  The highest anyone can fill in my area is 3500psi.

Quote The PSI is the second number in the series. The first number is the volume of the tank. For example, a 68/4500 tank is 68 cubic inches in volume at 4500psi of pressure. So, if you were to compare a 68/3000 vs a 68/4500, you would get 50% more shots out of the 68/4500 than the 68/3000. So, if you get around 500 shots out of a 68/3000 you'd get 750 shots out of a 68/4500. PSI has far more bearing on how many shots you get than the volume of the tank.

Good rule of thumb to find out how much paint you can throw is this:  With a 3000psi tank, multiply the first number by 10.  If you have a 4500psi tank, multiply the first number by 15.  So with a 68/3000 tank, you should get around 680 shots.  With a 68/4500, you'd get around 1020 shots.  This is an approximation.  It depends on how efficient your marker is with gas. 

Quote Just make sure to buy a tank that meets your needs. If you're using a standard A-5 without the LPK, then get a high-pressure-output tank. If you aren't using an LPK, a reg isn't really necessary since the marker is designed to operate at around 800-850psi and the output from an HPA tank is constant, meaning no pressure spikes/drops like you get with CO2.

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Depending on how tight-fitting the stages are to the walls of the chamber, they can indeed restrict flow of HPA, especially if you have a marker that has an operating pressure in a close range to the output pressure of the pre-set reg. I'm not saying it happens often, but it has been known to. We had 2 cases of an ACI 6-stage restricting flow at my old pro-shop. Mind you, this tended to happen with older markers that tended to need a higher operating pressure. Since the advent of the 2nd gen CVX valve in the '98 and newer models, this hasn't been as much of an issue, however, flow restriction can still happen given the right conditions. Just remember, your own personal experience with your own personal marker don't necessarily reflect the experiences of others and sometimes the guy who put himself through college airsmithing actually knows what he's talking about
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I also have an 8-stage X-Core on my 68Automag and it works flawlessly with C02 or HPA.  It is never starved for air.
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So first of all. I need to go see my airsmith and ask if he can fill up a tank to 4500psi. if so i should get the 68/4500HP tank?

Also, is CO2 more expansive then Compressed air?
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oh and i forgot. is a 70/4500psi tank to much? or is a 68/4500psi much better?
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CO2 is cheaper to buy but might be more expensive to fill, depending on the field. And a 68/45 should be good enough. 72/45 is a bit excessive for my taste.
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There is usually little to no difference in cost for getting CO2 or HPA filled at a field.  You can get tanks well over 100cu so 70 - 72 isn't that big but it's not going to give you too many more shots than a 68.  Just don't get one of those fatties whichever you go with.


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ya a 70/4500 tank seems really big compared to the others. anw i think that ill go with the 68/4500psi. also i informed myself in my town if the CO2 is more expansive the compressed air, and i got told that Compressed is way less. i could pay 12$ to fill up my 20oz CO2 tank. and for a 68/4500 tank it would cost my 7-9$. so ya after a while i am gonna save more. and also compressed air wont freeze and break my bolt in my gun 
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Wow!  Yeah, I guess you would save some $.  I normally pay $2-3 for fills all day at the fields I go to (or it's free with admission).  The Walmart near me charges less than $5 for a tank switch "fill" but I don't know what you have near you in Canada.


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