building a cocker

If money weren't an option--and I really have no clue when it comes to Autocockers--I'd get a Palmer Stabilizer with Ashcroft Gauge and an ANS 90 Degree Swing Frame. That will make your marker look weird and scary!

ANS Frame:
http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/3467/

http://www.ansxtreme.com/pindex.asp

Stabilizer:
http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/322/
http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/online-catalog/stabilizer.htm
http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/cart/images/online-stuff2007%2 0465.jpg

Skip the half-block unless you have a good reason. I dunno what half-blocks do besides change the look of the marker.



Edited by Brainless - 31 October 2007 at 10:22pm

Ack! no stab no stab!!!!!

Valves:
Shocktech Rat 3:16 $40
AKA Tornado $69

LPR:
AKA SCM-III: $50
Micro Rock: $50-$65

Ram:
Palmer's Quicker Ram: $60

3-way:
Shocktech Bomb: $35
Palmer's Quick Switch: $41

Inline Reg:
AKA 2 Liter: $95
AKA Sidewinder: $75

Bolt:
AKA Lightning (Delrin): $60
Shocktech Superfly (Delrin): $50

Pump Arm:
AKA Straight Arm: $20

Hammer Kit:
Belsales Rex "Dailer" kit: $55
AKA Merlin Kit: $28

Sear:
Belsales Roller Sear: $25
Shocktech Roller Sear: $49.99

Sear Springs:
AKA Matched: $5

Trigger:
Kapp Trigger Plate: $5

Everything else is just for looks.

Oh, and if you're going electro

Frames:
Eclipse E-2
or
RACEgun

Valves:
MQ Valve

Hinge triggers are for people who need to learn to not short-stroke.

That said, there isn't a whole lot other than the valve and inline reg that you actually need to do with a PTP Sleeper. I bet I can get that thing autographed by the PTP guys down the road.


As for half-blocking, that means you chop the front of the valve-chamber off and unless you have a high-flow LP valve and a larger valve chamber like the Merlin 'Cockers do, you're going to have to run at a higher pressure to maintain velocity. It does, however, make the whole setup shorter and thus easier to tuck-in with.

Mid-Blocking is merely chopping the upper tube off and using a custom short-bolt to increase cycling time. Shorter-throw to re-cock/re-chamber = faster cycle rate.

Edited by tallen702 - 31 October 2007 at 11:51pm

lol

They're fine for 'cockers, but there are better regs out there. Especially if you have the money and time to build a nice one.

AKA=Reg Goodness

The reason you see a lot of people suggest a Stab in here is that they run CO2 very well and make a nice gateway reg that can handle both CO2 and HPA

Edited by tallen702 - 01 November 2007 at 12:33am

Steve Davidson is one of the guys from PTP back in the day. He also wrote the Complete Guide to Paintball with a couple other guys. He and I are working with a few others in a 501(c) corp involved with patents in the paintball world. Whenever we get together for the board meeting, I'll let you know for sure if he and the others could get it done.

DeTrevni also knows a ton about A/Cs.

Here's my current 'cocker. I'm picking up my holy-grail in about 2 weeks time. It's an AKALMP Merlin with a RACEgun frame and MQ valve. If you got DT and I in a room together with our new acquisitions, we'd have it painted in minutes they're so fast.


I don't even have all the top-end stuff that I suggested on it. But here's what is in it.

Body/Back Block/Vert Adapter:WGP Limited Run (200) Body with 1 of 1 Anno first gen Black Magic
LPR: ANS Jackhammer II
3-way: Shocktech Bomb
Ram: Palmer's quickram
Inline reg: ANS GenX-II
Valve: Shocktech Rat 3:16
Hammer: Belsales Rex Kit
Springs: Nelson Matched Springs
Sear: Belsales Roller Sear
Sear Springs: AKA Matched Springs
Trigger Plate: Kapp Trigger Plate
Frame: DYE .45 Slider Frame
Grips: DYE Clear Panel Stickies
Bolt: Kapp Venturi
Beaver Tail: Kapp Ring Tail
Cocking Rod: Kapp Twisted Cocking Rod
Pull Pin: Kapp Pull Pin
Barrel: ACI Zero-G Graffiti Series
Trigger-Shoe: Shocktech Trigger Pants

Kapp stuff is hard to find these days as they went out of business. All their gear was geared toward high-end 'cockers and when the market blew-out. Well, they followed.

Here's the milling up close:


Other angle:


Edited by tallen702 - 01 November 2007 at 1:05am

Viva la Revolucion!

Nice cocker tallen... ugly but sexy.

I plan to start into the cocker world soon with a superstock or a karni. (Probably superstock)

By the way, has smartparts firebombed your house yet?

tallen702 wrote: carl_the_sniper wrote: Nice cocker tallen... ugly but sexy. I plan to start into the cocker world soon with a superstock or a karni. (Probably superstock) By the way, has smartparts firebombed your house yet? Nah, not yet. They're in for a surprise in the not too distant future though.

Interesting...
Actual surprise or can you let me know?

Dude. Robo, that's the same body as is on my Osiris. It half-blocks well. I may need to keep it...

("it" being the body. The Osiris ain't, and will not, be going anywhere.)

Edited by DeTrevni - 02 November 2007 at 2:20pm

detrevni, you should definately half block it. I love the look of that cocker and the pink/black is perfect for it. I like it because it is small and a different color from the norm.

Tallen does it involve chocolate?