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    Posted: 27 March 2009 at 11:13am
I doubt this topic will be taken seriously but let's try.

Let's say someone breaks a law 4 times and the officer goes to cite them.

If the officer does his job by the book and correctly, should he be fired for not showing compassion?

If so, why?

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Depends on the law broken. If he is handing out a citation to some 90 year old woman living on social security because she didn't get her sidewalk cleared within 4 hours of the snow stopping, yeah, I would think he could show compassion.  If it was DUI number 4.. no.  And even then, for the old lady instance, I wouldn't think he should be fired, it would just make him a jack nut.

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I'm not really sure what you're asking...

The way I read it, you're asking if an officer of the law should be canned for not showing compassion by following the rules while writing a citation?


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If you're talking about the NFL player thing.

Cop should not have been suspended
Que pasa?


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Let's say for the sake of argument the laws broken were running 2 stop lights and 2 stop signs at 2 am and refusing to stop for police right behind you for half a mile.

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Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

If you're talking about the NFL player thing.Cop should not have been suspended


Gave it away too soon :(

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I don't see a reason at all for the police to have been chastised for that sort of thing. 
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

If you're talking about the NFL player thing.Cop should not have been suspended


Gave it away too soon :(


Ha.

Well the story I got he didn't break 4 laws either. He only "rolled through a stop sign".

You also forgot to mention that the cop pulled his gun.

I still think there was no need for him to get reprimanded.


Edited by jmac3 - 27 March 2009 at 11:31am
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Ah, having read the whole story:

Fired, No, although he could have gotten the information he needed from the player, and cited him later on.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kayback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 March 2009 at 11:32am
I'd say no. Whats this compassion stuff you talk about? Respectful and polite but they still get the ticket/citation.


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I hope they fire that officer in TX. The mans mother-in-law was dieing and all he wanted to do was get him and his wife there to see her before she passed away. Put yourselr in the same spot would you stop at a red light or stop sings if it was your mother/mother-in-law that was about to die? Its BS what that officer did and he should not have been put on leave with pay IMO.
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link the story please.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Linus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 March 2009 at 11:39am
Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:



Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by jmac3 jmac3 wrote:

If you're talking about the NFL player thing.Cop should not have been suspended


Gave it away too soon :(
Ha.Well the story I got he didn't break 4 laws either. He only "rolled through a stop sign".You also forgot to mention that the cop pulled his gun.I still think there was no need for him to get reprimanded.


Having actually watched the full 16 min video, he ran through 2 stop lights and 2 stop signs. He the proceeded to tell the cop to get his own insurance.


Agreed reb, could have been handled differently but it wasn't and it's causing some people around here to have him fired.

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Que pasa?


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Let's post the story shall we, so people have details and won't mistakenly thing the officer was acting appropriately here.

The officer deserved reprimand, most likely suspension, and the department should take a look at its policy on "emergency" situations, such as people trying to get to a hospital in a hurry.

Fired? No. But he did act inappropriately.

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DALLAS — Racing to see his dying mother-in-law at a Plano hospital, an NFL player found himself delayed by a Dallas officer as her life ebbed away. It's a story that has sparked outrage across North Texas and generated interest around the country.

Dallas police Chief David Kunkle faced reporters Thursday afternoon to express his embarrassment over the incident and to publicly apologize to the family. He said the officer involved failed to use common sense. Officer Robert Powell, a three-year veteran, has been placed on leave facing internal charges of misconduct.

It all started in the early morning hours of March 17. With his wife and another woman in the car, Ryan Moats — a running back for the Houston Texans — sped his car toward Baylor Regional Medical Center of Plano. But when the Moats arrived at the emergency room parking lot, they were stopped by Officer Robert Powell, who reportedly drew his service revolver on the concerned family members.

Dashcam video from the Dallas officer's patrol car captured the incident.

"Get in there," Officer Powell yelled out to Tamishia Moats, Ryan's wife, as she exited the car. "Let me see your hands. Get in there. Put your hands on the car."

"Excuse me; my mom is dying," Tamisha Moats replied.

She and the other woman ignored Officer Powell's commands and rushed inside the hospital to her dying mother as Ryan Moats and Officer Powell went back-and-forth over insurance paperwork the NFL player was unable to locate.

MOATS: "I've got seconds before she's gone, man."

POWELL: "Listen: If I can't verify you have insurance..."

MOATS: "My mother-in-law is dying!"

POWELL: "Listen to me."

MOATS: "Right now, you're wasting my time."

POWELL: "If you can't verify you have insurance, I'm going to tow your car. So, you either find it or I am going to tow the car."

As they argued, the officer got irritated.

POWELL: "Shut your mouth. Shut your mouth. You can either settle down and cooperate, or I can just take you to jail for running a red light."

"I certainly hope anybody who saw the videotape immediately understood how serious the misconduct is," Chief Kunkle said Thursday afternoon. "I don't know how you train for these circumstances other than to hire people with good common sense and people skills."

In a telephone interview, Moats said the clash with the officer was totally unexpected. "For him to not even be sympathetic at all, and basically we're dogs or something and we don't matter — it basically shocked me," he said.

No compassion was indicated in the police recording of the incident. "I can screw you over," Officer Powell said. "I would rather not do that. You obviously will dictate everything that happens; and right now, your attitude sucks."

"My understanding is that Officer Powell — even after he saw the videotape — believed he had not acted inappropriately," Chief Kunkle said, a view that was underscored by Assistant Chief Floyd Simpson, who reviewed the tape with Officer Powell on Wednesday.

"His belief was simply that he was doing his job," Chief Simpson said. "It did concern me that it just seemed that the compassion was not there."

The hospital twice sent nurses to try and get the officer to release Moats.

"We're blue-coding her for the third time," a nurse said on the police videotape.

A Plano police officer stopped to make a plea for the officer to let Moats go. "Hey, that's the nurse," the Plano officer said. "She says the mom is dying right now, and she wants to know if I can get him up there."

Finally, after a 20-minute delay, the officer ticketed Moats for running a red light.

By the time Moats made it up to the emergency room, his mother-in-law was dead.

"I went up after she passed and held her hand, but she was already gone," Moats said in a telephone interview.

Dallas police have launched a review of the incident.

“When it came to our attention, we immediately called for an internal investigation to be done,” said police spokesman Lt. Andy Havey.

"The essence of being a police officer is common sense and discretion," Chief Kunkle added. "I can't imagine a worse circumstance."

WFAA.com has received over 1,000 comments comments about the incident since the story first aired on Channel 8 Wednesday night.



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Originally posted by Elysium Elysium wrote:

I hope they fire that officer in TX. The mans mother-in-law was dieing and all he wanted to do was get him and his wife there to see her before she passed away. Put yourselr in the same spot would you stop at a red light or stop sings if it was your mother/mother-in-law that was about to die? Its BS what that officer did and he should not have been put on leave with pay IMO.


Fired for doing his job?

laff.

If the guy had taken the time to stop at lights and signs, he probably would have SAVED time, as opposed to going through the showdown in the parking lot. Do I feel badly for the guy for not being there? Yeah, but come on.
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Originally posted by Elysium Elysium wrote:

I hope they fire that officer in TX. The mans mother-in-law was dieing and all he wanted to do was get him and his wife there to see her before she passed away. Put yourselr in the same spot would you stop at a red light or stop sings if it was your mother/mother-in-law that was about to die? Its BS what that officer did and he should not have been put on leave with pay IMO.


And if he would have killed someone at an intersection?

He wasn't dying and no one in his vehicle was. Their being at the hospital would not have saved her life.

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Whale why do you think he acted inappropriately?

The man's wife(and one other person) ran out of the car and into the hospital. That normally would be grounds for like an arrest or something.

Hell I don't even think he called back up or anything. Maybe I am wrong, but usually when cops pull somone over and people get out and run they call for backup.
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Yes, a reprimand is in order because the police officer, although doing his job, did it wrongly. But fired? No.

I still maintain that if Moats had obeyed the freakin traffic laws in the first place, he'd have made it in time. Whose fault is it that this whole thing happened at all?

It just goes to prove that 'black and white' circumstances are mythological.





Edited by Reb Cpl - 27 March 2009 at 11:45am
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