Healthcare for Immigrants

Problem is getting out of hand. Fix-em up, turn them in, enforce current laws, pack em up, and send them home. Problem will self correct. Obama says no funding in bill for illegals, more liberal in Congress pushing to get illegals covered, basically putting the nails into the coffin on this round of a universal healthcare system as approval rates of program keep dropping. Obama's dilemma: cater to the more radical left, or the more centrist majority that can keep him in office for another term. I can see Obama shelving this until his hopefull second term where he personally has nothing to lose. Americans have short political memories, bring this up again in 2012, and see if it carries better.

Short term problem is the massive influx of illegals, with a very ineffective system to control this illegal immagration. Government states can not find illegals easily, don't pay your taxes and see how fast they track you down. And the born in america defense is not a true issue, one or both parents are required to be a US citizen, this birth right manifestation comes from a warped legal system, catering to the illegal immagration support system lobbyists.

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If someone had sent my and many other great grandparents home then their kids wouldn't have been born into being a citizen.

And the point is, many others who waited in lines at Ellis Island, and other legal immagration points of the laye 1900's and early 1900's, and did it right would have very little sympathy for anyone who broke the law of the time to get an advantage over immagrating the legal way.

The 14th Amendment was meant to establish the slaves born in the US as citizens, not every border hopper hoping to drop a kid (anchor) in the US abusing the system as our current lawmakers basterdized the law and 14th Amendment for purely political and economic motives.

So jmac3, you are willing to move into south central LA, among the illegal immagrant population there, and stand by your point, and share your money (one way or another), compete for employment, and none of the social economic forces will direstly effect you for you have the "simple" answer. Can't wait for the results of that social experiment.

Your point does not stand considering that you do not know, although the Irish are the largest illegal group in MA, or were up until recently. Allowing illegals to pay into the system would be great, but I'd say the majority of them would have incomes too low to be required to pay into the system, but it'd probably still be cheaper than sending them to the ER. I thought the McCain-Kennedy Bill sounded good, new arrivals would be sent back and those who could verify that they'd been working here long enough would have to pay fines and learn English, I'd have to say fining them makes it leniency, not amnesty. Instead we do nothing, have cities that give them the boot and other that are told not to enforce federal law, and we still have Mexicans getting cooked in the desert or are running drugs into the country to pay off the coyotes, and thousands killed in drug wars in Mexico. 

oldpbnoob wrote: jmac3 wrote: I don't compete for employment now with people who are illegal, or at least can't speak English? They're not capable of lifting boxes?

Did I say that?

DO I NOT ALREADY COMPETE FOR EMPLOYMENT WITH ILLEGALS AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH?

OS, told me to move to South Central and compete for a job. Learn to read.

Great... yet another benefit for doing something illegal... just what we need.

Linus wrote: Great... yet another benefit for doing something illegal... just what we need.

So.. no health care for prisoners, speeders, insurance frauder, exc.... then? They get healthcare because they are human, not because of where they are born. 

Edited by God - 29 September 2009 at 5:39pm

Now there is a free healthcare for illegals alternative I never thought of. While we are waiting to deport them, while they are in the "camp", they can go to the daily "sick call" for all that free healthcare. And there are more than enough medical schools needing a "labrotory" enviornment to practice in. They get healthcare, out future doctors get the needed training, a total win/win. But giving a benifit for flaunting our laws and having panty wastes defend their "right" to healthcare is one of the reasons this universal healthcare initiative is circling the bowl as we speak. So if our illegals want to go into our penal system for free healthcare, and the right to it, I will be the first to offer that alternative, and they can join the others that violate our laws and get that same free healthcare, behind bars.