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    Posted: 24 February 2010 at 4:50pm
Today for my seminar class Paul Gootenberg, author of Andean Cocaine journeyed from stonybrook university to hofstra U today to discuss his book with our class.

all was well and good up until he told us that without a doubt, heroine is not harmful, and cocaine is a soft drug.

it was about that time i stopped paying attention and zoned out.

i guess the root of this post is, how the hell do these kinds of people get PHDs?
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What, if anything does he consider to be a hard drug? What an asshat.
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Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

What, if anything does he consider to be a hard drug? What an asshat.


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Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

What, if anything does he consider to be a hard drug? What an asshat.

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Threads like these never end well..
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Originally posted by Apu Apu wrote:

Threads like these never end well..
 
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Compared to other drugs that are out there cocaine is a relativly soft drug.
However that Heroin isnt harmful line is complete bs. Drugs are harmful period, it doesn't matter if it's cocaine or weed it all effects you.


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to get a PhD in philosophy you HAVE to be doing drugs
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On the topic of cocaine: using cocain while pregnant cause the proximal-promoter region for the baby's PKC gene to be methylated and therefore shut down, leaving the child almost guaranteed to suffer ischemia  It has been dubbed "murder by methylation." 
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Originally posted by Tical3.0 Tical3.0 wrote:

Compared to other drugs that are out there cocaine is a relativly soft drug.
However that Heroin isnt harmful line is complete bs. Drugs are harmful period, it doesn't matter if it's cocaine or weed it all effects you.
 
To play devil's advocate....
 
Under that reasoning, tylenol is harmful because it "affects" you by relieving headaches.  I personally don't believe heroin isn't harmful, abuse of the drug itself is.  Much like firearms, it's all relative to the person using it.  Nobody becomes a physical addict after one shot/line/hit of H.  Maybe mentally, but if they become addicted mentally, the same can be chalked up for marijuana, alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, etc...
 
It's extremely rare that anyone possesses the self control to use only on certain siutations, but that's not the drugs fault.  Junkies blame the drug because it's easier than admitting that they themselves are the ones with the problem.  Cocaine itself has been proven not to physically addictive, other than the initial comedown from the high and psychological dependency post dose.  It's not like heroin where you withdrawal for days/weeks until your body adapts. 
 
"A common myth is that cocaine is not addictive because it lacks the physical withdrawal symptoms seen in alcohol or heroin addiction. Cocaine has powerful psychological addictive properties. As more than one user has reflected, "If it is not addictive, then why can't I stop?" The trend in drug abuse in the United States is presently multiple or polydrug abuse, and cocaine is no exception. Cocaine is often used with alcohol, sedatives such as Valium, Ativan, or heroin, as an upper/downer combination. The other drug is also used to moderate the side effects of the primary addiction. A common polydrug abuse problem, seen especially in adolescents, is cocaine, alcohol, and marijuana. "  (Taken from emedicinehealth)
 
As to the physical effects on the body, I'm sure it's not good for you.  Although; neither is the bender on liquor which is glamorized by society. 
 
 
 
 
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Dude must have a PHD in Obamaducation
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Dude must have a PHD in Obamaducation

Yes, because Obama believes that Cocaine and Heroin are harmless soft drugs., Ermm

Oh wait, no he doesn't. You're just complaining in one thread about people coming in and acting like children, and then you're hopping over to this thread to act like a child. I see what you did there.
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Nah, he scored a doctorate in FEology. 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Dude must have a PHD in Obamaducation

Yo, thast' just inneruptin and bein inconsiderate
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Originally posted by Kanye West Kanye West wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Dude must have a PHD in Obamaducation

Yo, thast' just inneruptin and bein inconsiderate
 
Sorry, I'll let you finish in a minute...
 
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Originally posted by Heres To You Heres To You wrote:

Originally posted by Tical3.0 Tical3.0 wrote:

Compared to other drugs that are out there cocaine is a relativly soft drug.
However that Heroin isnt harmful line is complete bs. Drugs are harmful period, it doesn't matter if it's cocaine or weed it all effects you.
 
To play devil's advocate....
 
Under that reasoning, tylenol is harmful because it "affects" you by relieving headaches.  I personally don't believe heroin isn't harmful, abuse of the drug itself is.  Much like firearms, it's all relative to the person using it.  Nobody becomes a physical addict after one shot/line/hit of H.  Maybe mentally, but if they become addicted mentally, the same can be chalked up for marijuana, alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, etc...
 
It's extremely rare that anyone possesses the self control to use only on certain siutations, but that's not the drugs fault.  Junkies blame the drug because it's easier than admitting that they themselves are the ones with the problem.  Cocaine itself has been proven not to physically addictive, other than the initial comedown from the high and psychological dependency post dose.  It's not like heroin where you withdrawal for days/weeks until your body adapts. 
 
"A common myth is that cocaine is not addictive because it lacks the physical withdrawal symptoms seen in alcohol or heroin addiction. Cocaine has powerful psychological addictive properties. As more than one user has reflected, "If it is not addictive, then why can't I stop?" The trend in drug abuse in the United States is presently multiple or polydrug abuse, and cocaine is no exception. Cocaine is often used with alcohol, sedatives such as Valium, Ativan, or heroin, as an upper/downer combination. The other drug is also used to moderate the side effects of the primary addiction. A common polydrug abuse problem, seen especially in adolescents, is cocaine, alcohol, and marijuana. "  (Taken from emedicinehealth)
 
As to the physical effects on the body, I'm sure it's not good for you.  Although; neither is the bender on liquor which is glamorized by society. 
 
 
 
 
I guess I shoulda put "Prolonged use" in my statement.
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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Dude must have a PHD in Obamaducation

Yes, because Obama believes that Cocaine and Heroin are harmless soft drugs., Ermm

Oh wait, no he doesn't. You're just complaining in one thread about people coming in and acting like children, and then you're hopping over to this thread to act like a child. I see what you did there.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Dude must have a PHD in Obamaducation

Yes, because Obama believes that Cocaine and Heroin are harmless soft drugs., Ermm

Oh wait, no he doesn't. You're just complaining in one thread about people coming in and acting like children, and then you're hopping over to this thread to act like a child. I see what you did there.
 
 
 
Barack Obama claims, "I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though. ..."



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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Dude must have a PHD in Obamaducation

Yes, because Obama believes that Cocaine and Heroin are harmless soft drugs., Ermm

Oh wait, no he doesn't. You're just complaining in one thread about people coming in and acting like children, and then you're hopping over to this thread to act like a child. I see what you did there.
 
 
 
Barack Obama claims, "I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though. ..."

Trying drugs as a teenage =/= considering them harmless as an adult.
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