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    Posted: 28 July 2010 at 6:49am
If a cop clocks you speeding while he is outside of his jurisdiction, does he have the authority to pull you over and issue a ticket?
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It depends on the state.

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In the case of municipalities and counties it also depends on any reciprocal agreements between the various entities.
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Hey, in Ohio now, a visual estimation of your speed is good enough for a ticket.

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Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

In the case of municipalities and counties it also depends on any reciprocal agreements between the various entities.


Can cities also have such a reciprocal agreement?  For instance, if there is a "city" .2 sq mi big inside of another, lager city?
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another side note, clean black cars are the hardest to get a laser to bounce off of and read.
 
As they absorb the light, instead of letting it bounce off.
 
 
just sayin...
 
 
 
Also, most ticketed color car. RED. Easiest to bounce laser off of, white.
 
Front license plates on cars are so they can bounce the laser off the plate.
 
If you slam on your brakes while being laser clocked it does mess up the reading.
 
If you speed in the high speed lane, you are way more likely to get a ticket.
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Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

In the case of municipalities and counties it also depends on any reciprocal agreements between the various entities.


Can cities also have such a reciprocal agreement?  For instance, if there is a "city" .2 sq mi big inside of another, lager city?


Yes.  In the case you would cite there is most likely such an agreement.  (Just think how silly it would be for the patrols of the larger city to have to avoid that area.)
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Another sidenote: If you're ever driving on I-71 near Cleveland, watch your speed in Linndale. It's a notorious speed trap. They have maybe 1/4 mile of 71, and there is nearly always a cop sitting there. Some ridiculous percentage of their income comes from speeding tickets.

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Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Yes.  In the case you would cite there is most likely such an agreement.  (Just think how silly it would be for the patrols of the larger city to have to avoid that area.)


Not really, considering the whole entire .2 sq mi that is Remerton is one strip of bars and a few small back roads.  Besides, the Valdosta police wouldn't be barred from driving through Remerton for the whole 2 seconds it takes, they just wouldn't have any power there (provided such an agreement does not exist - I have read that it indeed does not, but I can not find this information from a reputable source).
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Novel concept.....Don't Speed then it is a non-issue.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Novel concept.....Don't Speed then it is a non-issue.
 
 
Wait, wait, I know the proper response to this one...
 
 
"The cop was out to get you... No way was it legal for him to catch you breaking the law... You should be allowed to go as fast as you want, because you are the victim... Of a racist ticket attack at least two blocks from his "turf"...
 
You should sue!"
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Novel concept.....Don't Speed then it is a non-issue.
 
 
Wait, wait, I know the proper response to this one...
 
 
"The cop was out to get you... No way was it legal for him to catch you breaking the law... You should be allowed to go as fast as you want, because you are the victim... Of a racist ticket attack at least two blocks from his "turf"...
 
You should sue!"


So because I was breaking the law, that gives the officer the right to break the law in order to catch me?  Sweet logic.
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How do you know he was out of 'his jurisdiction'? They could ahve free reign or they could have agreements.


Also, ALL peace officers take a state credentialing exam and are licensed by the same agency. Doesn't matter if you're in Dearborn or Detroit, Dallas or Houston, LA or San Diego. Therefor they are technically peace officers in the entire state, just get paid by different agencies.

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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
 
Front license plates on cars are so they can bounce the laser off the plate.
 
If you slam on your brakes while being laser clocked it does mess up the reading.
 


I wanted to say something about these this morning, but I wanted to double check my facts first.  I asked a couple of the officers I work with, and they all said these two were incorrect for sure.3 of the 4 I asked were personally certified on LIDAR.

 Front License plates are so that it's easier for officers to be able to pick up plate number when facing against traffic.

Once the laser is on you, it's too late.


They also were all pretty sure the color thing was a wives tale, but weren't 100% positive.
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Actually, USAF, all the things he stated were false.

Reds are not ticketed more.
Whites don't bounce the laser from LIDAR off more easily.
Front license plates aren't to reflect the laser.
Slamming your brakes wont mess the reading because by the time the laser is on you, it's too late (which is why laser-detectors are useless)

As for speeding in the highspeed, it depends. Officers do tend to look at that lane more because speeders are typically there, but by your rationale "If you shoot someone infront of a police station you're more likely to get caught". If they see you passing vehciles in ANY lane, they'll look at you more closely.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Actually, USAF, all the things he stated were false.

Reds are not ticketed more.
Whites don't bounce the laser from LIDAR off more easily.
Front license plates aren't to reflect the laser.
Slamming your brakes wont mess the reading because by the time the laser is on you, it's too late (which is why laser-detectors are useless)

As for speeding in the highspeed, it depends. Officers do tend to look at that lane more because speeders are typically there, but by your rationale "If you shoot someone infront of a police station you're more likely to get caught". If they see you passing vehciles in ANY lane, they'll look at you more closely.


i literally said 3 of the 4 things you did. Not sure how thats an "actually USAF moment"
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http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119292700/abstract
 
 
"It was found, however, that red, grey, and brown cars were more likely to receive speeding tickets than cars of other colors."
 
 
 
That is from an actual study on speeding tickets...
 
I play with lasers a lot, go shine one on a white car and look at the reflection. Then shine it on a black car and notice the reflection. One is much brighter than the other. This is the same effect with laser radar.
 
My cousin is a police officer, and I used to pass him on the highway all the time, He would clock me when I went by, and every time he couldn't get a reading (black acura tl) he would call and tell me about it. He rarely ever got a good reading.
 
He said for laser to work best it has to bounce back, a sloped vehicle with no flat front is hard to read, so he always shoots for the license plate or rear view mirror...
 
also...
 
 
 
Reaction times are the issue with slamming on your brakes. If you have faster reaction time than the officer who is about to "instant on" clock you... of course it is possible. Cops aren't superhuman... Too many donuts makes for a slow reacting traffic cop...
 
 
Also...
 
 
"On hills or curves target direction (with respect to radar) is changing, this causes the Cosine Effect angle (alpha) to change. A changing Cosine Effect angle results in measured target speed changing, the faster the angle changes the faster measured target speed changes (acceleration or deceleration component). If measured speed changes too fast the radar misses (does not display) target speed. "
 
 
You can cause this "missed reading" by slamming on your brakes, which even the police manual admits...


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Red, Grey/silver and Brown cars also account for 43% of the cars on the road. Red is also a popular color for sports cars.  Cops aren't cartoon bulls.

Your argument about curves is pretty moot, you're also safe from radar next to very large vehicles, as the radar locks onto the larger one. But, if you're speeding, it doesn't matter.

As for the slamming on breaks, that's not "beating the laser," like you tried to say earlier. The laser's reading is correct, plain and simple. That's why cops use LIDAR from bridges or at the backside of a hills crest.
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Red, Grey/silver and Brown cars also account for 43% of the cars on the road. Red is also a popular color for sports cars.  Cops aren't cartoon bulls.

Your argument about curves is pretty moot, you're also safe from radar next to very large vehicles, as the radar locks onto the larger one. But, if you're speeding, it doesn't matter.

As for the slamming on breaks, that's not "beating the laser," like you tried to say earlier. The laser's reading is correct, plain and simple. That's why cops use LIDAR from bridges or at the backside of a hills crest.
 
 
If you are going to misquote me... At least wait until the thread hits two pages... It just makes you look silly, and tallenesque to make up what I said.
 
I think you meant that I said...
 
 
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
If you slam on your brakes while being laser clocked it does mess up the reading.
 
 
 
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
"If measured speed changes too fast the radar misses (does not display) target speed. "
 
 
You can cause this "missed reading" by slamming on your brakes, which even the police manual admits...
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