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    Posted: 17 October 2010 at 6:40pm

I have to admit, sometimes I really love the bluntness of Germans.

 
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Wow that's really really random..... I'm reading about this EXACT thing right now, and they referenced Germany in exactly this context. About how it doesn't try to function as multi-cultural
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Having lived in Germany I understand thier position on this. Through failed social programs the 'German' birthrate is down (look it up) and the Germans are determined to protect thier National as well as yes, racial identity. Looking next door to France and thier problems with mid-eastern immigrants the Germans are not going to let that type of issue arise.

Multiculturalism is a failed social issue, it has and is destroying the base culture of any nation that adapts this program. You do not see the Islamic world adapting this program, but we in the west are 'required' to adapt it.

I praise the Germans for taking a stand, Germany for Germans, and resisting this idiotic social 'need' to let another culture change the German identity. If and when Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran, etc adapt 'multiculturalism' maybe there is a merit to the program, but as it stands now, it is just an incrimental program to destroy western societies while enpowering the 'pure' Islamic societies.

We here in America have the same issues, where the American 'culture' is becoming the 'minority' in our Southwest, being replaced by a 'Mexican' or Hispanic culture. Ask anyone in Arizona, how thier American identity is being replaced with a primary 'multicultural' hispanic culture and how English is being replaced by Spanish as the primary language. Imagine your community being told that since the Hispanic population outnumbers the American population, Spanish is now the 'unofficial' language of the community.

Typecasting Germans as 'racist' is no differant than typecasting Islamic countries as racist, but you will never see that in the media.

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I would like to point out that the American Southwest was a whole lot more like Mexico for thousands of years before white men settled there.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote __sneaky__ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 October 2010 at 7:26am
I fail to understand this, "HE STARTED IT!" mentality that you(OS) and FE have clung  onto for issues similar to this. I don't care that they're not accepting of other cultures, they should not affect our own ability to accept differences within our own cultures.

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I'm speaking from absolutely no experience whatsoever with this topic, but I'm sure multi-culturalism is far more vital in some parts of the world than others.

While a small country like Germany may be composed of a very limited mindset (again, I don't know, just throwing this out), a country with a diverse population such as ourselves could not afford to make such a bold statement.

We have to live peacefully side by side, or else we lose control of the population. In the US, political correctness is just as vital a way of controlling and policing the population as anything else. Otherwise, if people feel free to express their hatreds towards each other, civil chaos erupts.

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Sounds less than civil to me.
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A simple study in the problems of 'multiculturalism' can be the issues that face Quebec, between the 'English' and 'French' communities.

One of the reasons we were a economic giant was the universal culture of the early immigrants, where the immigrant demanded that the children learn and speak English. The issues of multi-language bussiness is a drain on any economy. Case in point in my days as a OTR trucker, picking up and or delievering in the Southwest where communicating with dock personnel was difficult or impossible because of the dominant Spanish speaking workers not understanding requirements for simple issues such as weight distribution in the trailer. I speak New York City Puerto Rican Spanish, but the cultural and language differences between the Mexican/South American and Puerto Rico Spanish still made communication difficult.

When supervisors can not communicate effectively with workers on the floor does not promote a profitable enviornment, and the costs of languaqge training just increase the costs of doing bussiness.

The Germans imported labor from the mid-east post war to help 'clean up' the mess from the war. The Turkish communities demanded autonomy in the 80's wanting a Turkish state established within Germany, was rejected of course but the discourse created still exsists.

The 'Reconquista' movement in the Southwest is demanding that California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado be returned to Mexico, and as the Hispanic communities become the majority in these areas what will be the consequences in the future.

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Honestly, mixed feelings on this. Aside from the "oh noez Nazis!' mentality, it is good to see a country standing up for preserving their cultural identity. I visited Germany a couple of times and they do seem to be very proud of being "German".  I can see where they would have a problem with immigrants not attempting to learn the language and culture.
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The Swiss are complaining about the same thing. 
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Also saw this on Yahoo today and followed the link to the Time website. Seems to be an ongoing issue. Wonder if the sudden uptick has to do with overburdened social programs brought about by the condition of the world economy?

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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

but we in the west are 'required' to adapt it.


Who is requiring what now? I don't seem to recall any multiculturalism mandates, at least not in the U.S. Maybe it is different in Germany.

The morphing and adapting of cultures is something that just happens when people move and bring customs with them. It's the reason why Indian food is so popular in Britain and you can get kehbab on any street corner in Germany.

And as far as "Middle-easterners not adapting multiculturalism," I've seen an awfully lot of pictures of KFCs and McDonald's in Muslim countries.

Anyway . . .

Onto the original link, I interpreted Merkel's statement to mean that the idea of mixing cultures doesn't work when people are not interested in doing any mixing and want to stick to themselves.

It's just easy to smirk at what she said knowing Germany's less-than-stellar past when it comes to incorperating cultures Wink.
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I agree with you on that to some extent oldpbnoob.  If you can't take pride in your culture, why have it at all?  And making sure it survives intact is definitely part of that pride.
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The 'social' requirement of accepting multiculturalism here in America is continueing the resentment and racial problems in our society. The Left long ago learned that social unrest is thier key to power above the needs of the country. Nationalism the counter to multiculturalism if not controled can also become a monster on the scale of multiculturalism. The destruction of the base culture of past Empires, to include the Soviet Union, all in the name of multiculturalism is a ftate that awaits many small nations. Germany, France and other EU nations are losing thier identity in this battle, and are now beginning to fight back, and the more liberal among the populace can not see why. The riots in Paris recently, the Islamic veil issue in French Law are just the tip of the problems.
We in America are from multiple cultures but up till recently blended as one, now even that issue of immigrants assimulating is seen as wrong, as they 'should' be able to maintain thier seperate culture at the cost of the whole. That is not going to end well in generations to come.
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Quote The 'social' requirement of accepting multiculturalism


You'll have to explain what you mean by this. Before you were talking about how multiculturalism was a flat requirement, now it is a "social requirement."

Quote We in America are from multiple cultures but up till recently blended as one, now even that issue of immigrants assimulating is seen as wrong, as they 'should' be able to maintain thier seperate culture at the cost of the whole.


  • Like was pointed out in previous threads where you made this claim, there never has been a time in American history where cultures and groups of immigrants have perfectly assimilated. Thus is the reason China Town, Amish settlements, etc., still exist.
  • Who sees assimilation as wrong? 
  • What is wrong with a group maintaining their cultures? It is something that has been done in this country since the founding. What is this "Cost" you speak of?


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Basically the Laws that require official documents and official government procedures be in languages other than English. Schools required to teach for example hispanics in Spanish, not requiring hispanic students to learn conversational English. And then having the additiona COST of printing textbooks and testing material in Spanish, and other languages as required, where one set in English reduces costs.
The NYC Schools system is being required to print textbooks in Spanish, Chinese, as well as several dialects in Mid-Eastern/African languages, now there is a cost the system can not absorb. Why can't we require the student learn English to reduce the total societal cost?

Until recently even in the 'enclave' communities the parents insisted the children learn and speak English, only recently with the 'liberal' idea of multiculturalism is English no longer insisted upon, hense the multi language requirements for official documentation. Look up how many languages the DMV in California and NY for example test. Where last time I checked the signage on the highways are in English, so the applicant and potential multicultural driver is unable to fully understand road signage, interesting concept. Simple example, just the cost of printing all these documents in over 25 languages is an added COST to the state of California and NY, where one set in English reduces costs.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Schools required to teach for example hispanics in Spanish, not requiring hispanic students to learn conversational English.

I'm pretty sure most public schools require ESL or at least speech for those who can't speak English since that's the norm around here.
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So OS, which one culture is the true American culture?
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