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    Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:03am
. . . it helps prevent accidents.

Like the one that resulted in a call tonight from my son-in-law that ended up with me going over to his house to look at the holes in the wall from the 30-06 round that his neighbor put through the shared dining room wall . . . that traveled through the kitchen and penetrated the wall above the cupboards . . . then passed through the bedroom closet . . . before bouncing off the ceiling of my granddaughter's bedroom and coming to rest in the opposite wall above her bed.

Some broken glass but no one was hurt as no one was in any of the rooms in question.  Good thing the daughter wasn't home as she probably would have freaked.  Took the granddaughter with the wife and I to go visit other relatives.  (Figured I'd keep her out of dad's way while he cleaned up; plus, thinking about the bullet going through her room--even if it was near the ceiling--was getting me agitated to the point where being in the same place with the careless gun owner was probably a bad idea*.)

Daughter was home when we brought the granddaughter back--I was right, she was freaked.**

Everyone who wants to argue about gun control can do so now but keep in mind if this had been a pistol it probably never would have made it into the kid's place.***

/relieved venting.

*To give the man credit there were no excuses, only apologies; and he was already on the phone with the police when he came knocking at the kid's door.

**She did not appreciate my pointing out that the collector's glass the bullet shattered was a real "shot" glass now.

***Which they rent from me so, to keep things in the family, I will just hire the son-in-law for the patching and bill the neighbors.
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I know it is not "fair", but what are the penalties for sending a round through someone's house?

I'd put in a call to the cops against said neighbour.

While N/D's are like wheels up landings, "There are those who have had them and those who are going to", I still think people who have N/D's should be held accountable.

And I'm sorry to say I'm not talking about footing the repair bill. I also don't mean he should lose his guns, but something should happen to actually punish him. So it hurts enough that he'll make damn sure to check the chamber again.

Unless it was a Rem 700, 'cos those go off by themselves, don't you know.

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Edited by Kayback - 18 October 2010 at 1:08am
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Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:


I'd put in a call to the cops against said neighbour.


That would have been step 1 for me, zero question.
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Wait, wait, wait.





















Mack is a grandpa?
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Wow, man. Where have you been? Stick around for a bit. I miss conspiring to build Angel powered Tippmanns with you, bud.

(I'm DeTrevni, BTW.)


Edited by Magoo - 18 October 2010 at 3:21am
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That happens too much around here for good taste. Rednecks + guns + booze + thin walls is a bad combo.
 
One of the people that live up the road from my parents (I won't use the term neighbor, they're way too far out in the country for that) was unloading his gun from deer season, missed the last round apparently when he pulled all of them out, and when he closed the bolt he pulled the trigger. The round went off, and went through his neighbor's trailer and into her china cabinet right by where she was sitting eating dinner.
 
The lady nor the SO pressed charges because they knew the guy, he wasn't a drinker or anything, just got careless and didn't recheck the chamber before pulling the trigger.
 
I think it depends on attitude, and circumstances. Someone like that guy who was cleaning a gun, accidentally discharged it, and immediately went next door to check on the neighbor, I don't see any reason to press charges, unless the neighbor pursues them.
 
However, if there's alcohol, horseplay, bad attitudes, etc involved, I think they should face jail time and serious consequences.
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Originally posted by Magoo Magoo wrote:

Wow, man. Where have you been? Stick around for a bit. I miss conspiring to build Angel powered Tippmanns with you, bud.

(I'm DeTrevni, BTW.)


I'm BOS on PBN, so I need to crash somewhere.

Now, where the hell is the Flipmann?
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Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

I know it is not "fair", but what are the penalties for sending a round through someone's house?

Not really sure.  I know that it is illegal to discharge any type of weapon (including airguns/airsoft/paintball markers) inside the city limits so that is at least one charge.  I would assume that reckless endangerment or something similar would be added to that.

I'd put in a call to the cops against said neighbour.

First thing the neighbor did was call them on himself.  They were there when I got there.

While N/D's are like wheels up landings, "There are those who have had them and those who are going to", I still think people who have N/D's should be held accountable.

Agreed.reed

And I'm sorry to say I'm not talking about footing the repair bill. I also don't mean he should lose his guns, but something should happen to actually punish him. So it hurts enough that he'll make damn sure to check the chamber again.

That we will have to wait and see what happens on.  The fact is that due to privacy issues we may never know the final outcome.

Unless it was a Rem 700, 'cos those go off by themselves, don't you know.

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Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:


First thing the neighbor did was call them on himself.  They were there when I got there.


But sometimes pressing charges is up to the "victim".

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That we will have to wait and see what happens on.  The fact is that due to privacy issues we may never know the final outcome.


As an interested party you should be privy to the outcome. And aren't court proceedings public information?

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Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:


First thing the neighbor did was call them on himself.  They were there when I got there.


But sometimes pressing charges is up to the "victim".

As city ordinances were violated, it is most likely the family will not have to press charges.  (Kind of like speeding tickets where the "victim" is society as a whole.)

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That we will have to wait and see what happens on.  The fact is that due to privacy issues we may never know the final outcome.


As an interested party you should be privy to the outcome. And aren't court proceedings public information?

Good point.  (That's what I get for posting before completely awake.) 

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Glad everyone is safe Mack. It amazes me how careless people are sometimes. I realize there are accidents, but something like this is ridiculous. Probably not your first question to the guy, but was it a case of him having a loaded gun in the house intentionally or forgetting to clear the chamber before putting  it away? Either shows total stupidity IMO. I don't own a gun, but growing up, my dad taught me the first thing you do when you are handed a firearm is to check to see if it loaded or not before you go anywhere near the trigger. I was familiar with both his service revolver and shotgun and as a matter of habit would check them immediately when he handed them to me. And I was maybe 10 or 11. Can't believe a grown man would be so reckless.  
 
Press charges and or whatever else you can do. If he is a renter, make sure his landlord knows what is going on. If he is a homeowner, maybe consider getting his homeowners insurance provider and file a claim with them.
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^^^ New gun, didn't check the chamber after unloading.

I can guarantee that if the city doesn't pursue this on their own, my daughter will.
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Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

^^^ New gun, didn't check the chamber after unloading.
 How long did it take him to get the gun out of his arse after your conversation with him?  
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Jesus, lucky it was only a .30-06.

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I can honestly say I had no idea a .30-06 had anywhere near that kind of penetrating power. 
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I can honestly say I had no idea a .30-06 had anywhere near that kind of penetrating power. 

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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

I can honestly say I had no idea a .30-06 had anywhere near that kind of penetrating power. 
It's a pretty powerful round. .30-06 and 7.62x54r are just about the same in terms of stopping power.

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30-06 ( as my example the new American Eagle 30-06 for the M1 Garand) will go through .375"/10mm mild steel plate at 100 yards like it was butter.
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Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

30-06 ( as my example the new American Eagle 30-06 for the M1 Garand) will go through .375"/10mm mild steel plate at 100 yards like it was butter.


I was basing it on the completely unscientific fact that when shooting at a big oak tree that is about 4' in diameter with a Remington 700, it doesn't come out the other end.

Again, completely unscientific. Tongue
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

30-06 ( as my example the new American Eagle 30-06 for the M1 Garand) will go through .375"/10mm mild steel plate at 100 yards like it was butter.


I was basing it on the completely unscientific fact that when shooting at a big oak tree that is about 4' in diameter with a Remington 700, it doesn't come out the other end.

Again, completely unscientific. Tongue

My experiment was just to see if I could do it,  next time I won't leave the plate behind and take some picts.LOL
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