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impulse418
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Topic: Norway Mass MurderPosted: 22 July 2011 at 7:59pm |
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http://news.yahoo.com/norway-ripped-oslo-bomb-youth-camp-shootings-185204240.html
But he suggested NATO's policies could have prompted the attack, saying, "NATO is planting terrorism in the hearts of many. This is unfortunate and sad." |
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brihard
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Posted: 22 July 2011 at 8:11pm |
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The attacker appears to have been Norwegian. Motivation's gonna take a little while to figure out. Nice to grandstand and use a pile of dead bodies as a soap box for your nuttery, though.
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Posted: 22 July 2011 at 8:39pm |
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The shooting was at a youth retreat for Arbeiderpartiet (Labor Party), the main center-left political party in Norway. That is also the party of the current prime minister and most of the government. That would tend to indicate a local political motivation.
But who knows. With the shooter apparently in hand, we will probably learn more soon.
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Posted: 22 July 2011 at 8:40pm |
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I hope any/all family in the old country is safe and doing well, Rambino.
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Posted: 22 July 2011 at 8:43pm |
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Oh frig, I didn't even think of that- hope all of yours are safe, Rambs.
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"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
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Rambino
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Posted: 22 July 2011 at 8:54pm |
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They are all safe and sound. In fact, the wife and kids are there now too.
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Posted: 22 July 2011 at 9:17pm |
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Good Lord. I'd imagine that today was a rough day on the adrenal glands.
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Posted: 23 July 2011 at 1:09am |
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That's why the title was mass murder, and not terrorist attack. Although here in the states, they would probably classify it as "domestic terrorism" |
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Posted: 23 July 2011 at 11:18am |
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Guy's a ardent nationalist who rants against Islam regularly.
*Scoots chair far away from FE* |
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Posted: 23 July 2011 at 1:07pm |
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If he was anti muslim. Why did he kill a bunch of white Norwegians?
How coincidental that a domestic terrorist attack, from someone who is white, with blonde and blue eyes. Happens within a day of that video being released. Also this "right wing" feller was a Freemason. |
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Posted: 23 July 2011 at 1:16pm |
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Same reason Mid East terrorists target Muslims in the area - because they view them just as guilty as the declared enemy. |
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Posted: 23 July 2011 at 1:18pm |
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Who ever did the recruiting on this one, should get a raise.
Edit: It's amazing everyone's first instinct was to play dead. Well, we see how that turned out. Edited by impulse418 - 23 July 2011 at 1:31pm |
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Posted: 23 July 2011 at 1:55pm |
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Why are there quotation marks around right wing? |
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Posted: 23 July 2011 at 2:32pm |
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He had a spare set just laying around gathering dust and thought "what the heck, why not use them?" |
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Posted: 24 July 2011 at 12:04am |
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Posted: 24 July 2011 at 1:07am |
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He attacked the Labour party and a youth camp set up by the Labour party, a party which has called for Palestinian statehood, as well as focused domestically on not only preventing discrimination against Muslim immigrants, but also asking the Norwegian people to open up culturally to them. |
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Posted: 27 July 2011 at 9:43am |
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What was interesting to me was the way MSNBC news online blasted the headline of "right wing Christian extremist" within minutes of the attack being made public. Many other "news" sources did the same, so much so that if you ask anyone today I bet they would say this guy was a right wing Christian...
And yet, he visited prostitutes, and his 1,500 page manifest has stuff like this in it.
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"Getting around is necessary, oil is not. Considerable efforts should be made to further develop high-power Lithium-Ion batteries. The goal should be to aim for oil independence. This will not only save the environment; it will completely devastate many Muslim countries economically which will weaken the ongoing Islamic imperialism. (p. 1199)
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They tremble at my name...
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Posted: 27 July 2011 at 10:21am |
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The man broke the two commandments of which Jesus said to obey:
To that end, I would agree that I don't find him very Christ like, however, you can't ignore the fact that this man calls himself a christian despite his fanatical ravings. To pull wholly from your post:
In a very non-fundamental sense, he's speaking to a broad swath of christianity. While most of the more fundamentalist christian sects today preach that you must have a one-on-one relationship with Jesus Christ to fall under their specialized definition of "Christian" the reality of the matter is that the plain-Jane secular definition is:
And in all reality, that's what it means. To deny otherwise is to argue over semantics in the same manner I could argue that a true gumbo must have file powder to someone that swears it must use okra. In short, it's subjective. So, news organizations wishing to remain as secular and objective as possible in this country and report the facts the way they are presented. This man calls his own personal brand of craziness "Christian" so they oblige and call him a right wing christian fundamentalist. They give him the reason of the doubt You call your own personal beliefs "Christian" doctrine FE, as do most Christians out there. I don't deny you that right despite the fact that I believe that you twist the teachings of Christ to fit your own desires. You probably feel that I'm not "Christian" because I don't adhere to your own particular brand of belief (I honestly don't know if I can believe in the resurrection, or even the miracles, the mystical stuff just doesn't work for me, but I DO believe Christ died for our sins as a self-offered sacrifice to our Father, and I DO fully believe in his teachings) but I do believe I am a Christian, and in reality, believe I probably adhere to Christ's teachings a lot more than yourself. But that again is personal perception which we will never agree on, just as this lunatic's perception of what it means to be Christian will make both of us balk despite our own difference in beliefs. To attack to media outlets which choose to use his own words to describe him is simply trying to stuff your head in the sand for your own purpose. |
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Posted: 27 July 2011 at 10:24am |
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He certainly was no true Scotsman. |
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impulse418
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Posted: 27 July 2011 at 12:07pm |
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How did they know who was the suspect was, in such a short time frame?
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