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tallen702 
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 Topic: See Ya SOPA!!!!!Posted: 16 January 2012 at 10:19pm |
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It's dead!
NB4 FE's rant about how it's a communist move to continue to redistribute wealth by propagating piracy of movies and songs online. I'm glad he at least stood up to this. Now if only he'd had some balls on the Defense Authorization Bill.... |
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Posted: 16 January 2012 at 10:24pm |
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About time for it to die.
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Posted: 16 January 2012 at 11:08pm |
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He also said he would not sign NDAA.
That was a lie, just like this. ” I'm sorry for signing off on sopa, but I promise my administration won't enforce it” |
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stratoaxe
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Posted: 16 January 2012 at 11:52pm |
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First of all, I'm glad to see that Obama doesn't support it, though as Impulse said I wouldn't call it DOA just yet. Saying and doing are different things, especially in this administration.
That said, I can't help but think that the internet's outrage over this bill would be better projected at actually stopping piracy. I wonder how many of those voicing their opposition at this bill spend half their day at the Pirate Bay? Not that I'm saying I never have made nor will again make use of "less than legal" torrents, but I recognize that the entertainment industry views piracy as a huge problem, and frankly the sheer numbers involved in online theft are staggering. I don't really see it as a problem the government can get deeply involved in without stepping on some individual liberties, but the online community in general needs to realize that as long as piracy is openly accepted among their ranks, companies are going to be militant about protecting their interests. TL;DR this isn't a victory or even a battle won for the internet community. Until developers get a better hold on software protection this is going to come up every year in some shape, form, or fashion.
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 2:30am |
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True, but there are two things that spring to mind. Firstly, this is a USA only law. Good luck enforcing it on the DRC or wherever decides there is money in sever farms.
Secondly, the amount of money that the entertainment industry makes. If they reduced the price of things by 90% and increased the lead time between movie box office and DVD release they'd kill piracy almost dead. You wouldn't need to make more laws about it. KBK |
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choopie911
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 3:52am |
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This is far from over. They tried to shove something ridiculous through, now the next measure will seem more reasonable in comparison.
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tallen702
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 5:34am |
I dunno choop. the RIAA and MPAA have always been ones to use a sledgehammer when a tack-hammer would do. Subtlety and compromise aren't exactly their strong suits. I agree that it isn't over, but I don't think you'll see anything that doesn't bring about just as much ire and outrage as SOPA did. |
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 7:02am |
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Next up is PIPA.
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 10:10am |
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Something will eventually have to be done to better enforce copyright protection online.
SOPA just wasn't it. It had the right motivation, but poor execution, very similar to the Arizona immigration bill.
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 10:17am |
Thus is the problem surrounding the dislike of SOPA: While there are some people who do legitimately dislike the idea of DRM and think that the issue with SOPA was that it was misguided legislative language, they appear to be the minority. The majority of dislike comes from those who want to get stuff without paying for it. And, unless that changes, the RIAA will still have the legislative high ground. |
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 11:33am |
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Much like having the government keeping track of my whereabouts, because I am not doing anything illegal, I don't really have any issue with anti piracy legislation because I don't steal or use stolen software. i used to work with a guy that was constantly trying to offer me pirated software. He couldn't understand why I always refused it. For some reason, he couldn't wrap his head around the idea that it was stealing.
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High Voltage
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 11:56am |
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That's the wrong attitude to take. Is that why you think we are all against it? Because we pirate? Do you think Wikipedia pirates music?
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 12:09pm |
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I am really not that well informed on this subject TBH. However, I can't grasp why someone would be against search engines from directing people to sites that are know to offer pirated software. It may be another topic, but I don't think I have ever known an IT person that didnt have his/her fair share of copied/pirated software. |
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agentwhale007
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 12:19pm |
Not speaking about you directly, but I do suspect the prime motivation for individuals (Read, not corporate interests like Google, Microsoft and Wiki) disliking SOPA was the desire to continue getting things for free. That doesn't make SOPA good, in the least, but it's an unfortunate side effect.
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agentwhale007
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 12:26pm |
Because for most companies who run search engines, the listings are done through robots (Crawler scripts, specifically) and an algorithm that determines how many times a site is linked to by a third party site (Please correct me if I'm wrong, more tech-oriented people). While yes, in an ideal world, it would be nice if sites like Google could deter people from going to pirating-based sites, the way the legislation is set up now, Google could face confiscation if one of their robots does the linking/listing. Not only that, but the far-reaching language of the legislation indicates that any copyright violation on any site is grounds for violation of SOPA and prosecution. The intentions are good, it was just far too poorly written and under-defined. It's too big to properly enforce as is, and would lead to discriminatory enforcement more likely than not. |
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 12:31pm |
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What Whale said. I have never pirated anything in my life. My major issues with SOPA was that it, in my understanding, made third parties (such as Google and Yahoo) responsible for enforcing copywrite laws with punishments for failure. |
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 1:57pm |
I know this has already been addressed by Whale and Mack, but just to add-when I say the Internet community, there's no "we" or "them" you can make blanket statements about. There are elderly grandmothers and sick pedos browsing together at any given time, so obviously there's no way to classify the Interwebz with a generalization. But I do feel that there has been universal condemnation towards SOPA from a large majority of internet bloggers / networking sites to the point that even my non-techie FB friends have been posting death and doom statuses regarding its existence. Yet I've read very, very little of this outrage that pinned the blame where the blame is due-the pirates themselves. I don't see piracy as a grey area. It's not like immigration or drug use where there's difficulty making a judgement on the violators...this is direct violation of those lovely EULA's we all agree to, and it's very much illegal. It's also highly accessible and almost impossible to punish with any sense of regularity. That poses a gaping hole in the law that will most certainly be filled before all is said and done. Any efforts to stop that from happening are just temporary setbacks. This is not only far from over, in my opinion it's basically set in stone that we will see some type of internet censorship, and probably soon at that. I don't support piracy, though as I said earlier I'm not going to pass any judgement on people who use it. I don't believe that major damage is done in certain industries (the gaming industry, for example, tends to sensationalize the amount of money being lost to piracy, but that's another debate in all), but I think that any time the law is being violated as open as it is with piracy there's going to be a fix at some point.
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 3:31pm |
And that is the root of the problem. People who are happily uninformed making decisions that affect the world. PIPA is up next and is still a problem. More info Edited by choopie911 - 17 January 2012 at 3:33pm |
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 3:40pm |
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Am I the only person who keeps thinking it says SOFA?
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 4:42pm |
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I personally don't even understand why people are trying to push SOPA and PIPA through other than ignorance and an attempt to subvert the law for their own monetary gain. Both are so horribly written and open ended that they give the Justice Department and individual groups like the MPAA and RIAA way too much sway over how things operate. The OPEN-Act is the much better written, and better defined bill which protects third parties and puts the power in the hands of the ITC where it belongs. PIPA is impossible to enforce due to the DNS issues it presents. SOPA was an attempt by the RIAA and MPAA to be able to sue some people that actually HAVE money (ie Google, Yahoo, et al).
I honestly think piracy would be less rife if the motion picture industry would put out a quality product for the price they're asking. Want people to shell out the money to see something in theaters? Make it worth seeing in theaters and quit re-hashing old movies. Want to stop piracy after something's out of the theaters? Release the DVD and digital versions within a week or two of the movie going out of theaters, not months and months afterwards. Also, quit forcing rental companies like blockbuster, redbox, and netflix to wait over a month after the retail release of the dvd to offer it for rent. Same goes for music. |
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