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DeTrevni 
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 Topic: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLPosted: 28 February 2012 at 5:31am |
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And y'all said it would never happen...
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Ruska
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 5:36am |
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Yeah it's pretty amazing actually, I'm really happy to see the flexvalve used for something like this. I did a search a few days ago and found a post where a guy called every single feature of this gun, and Reb replying right away saying it would never happen.
Well here it is, and it looks pretty good. |
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DeTrevni
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 5:39am |
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The biggest qualm I'm seeing is potential pricing. ANSgear, as ill reputed as they may be, has them listed for $450. I know ANS has a tendency to overprice their presales, which are unreliable by themselves, but I expect it to be around that mark, to be honest. And at that price, it's getting up there with the Etha, Axe, and even Etek. A polymer framed Tippmann isn't going to cut it. I hope it's much cheaper...
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tallen702
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 5:41am |
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I wonder what the licensing fees to Kee are on this thing. That is, unless Tippmann picked up some very specific patents in the SP fire-sale.
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RoboCop
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 6:25am |
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Finally.
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 6:55am |
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Waste of money for Tippmann.
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Mack
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 8:52am |
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I have to wonder which patents you are referring too . . . after all, I can't see anyone arguing that Tippmann didn't have the gas-through grip first with the SL 68. |
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FreeEnterprise
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 9:00am |
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Does it work in the cold... Most electric guns are useless as the batteries don't last enough for a day of playing in well below freezing temps.
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Mack
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 9:07am |
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Does an X7 Phenom work in the cold?
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tallen702
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 9:21am |
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It's a FASOR spool-valve which puts it squarely in either Kee or DYE's IP domain. Add in the fact that it's a gas-thru WITH integrated reg and you land in the patent that SP was trying to push through (but I think got denied thanks to a few people in contact with the USPTO providing prior art). Regardless, it's a Low Pressure electronically controlled paintball gun, so you're paying royalties anyway. |
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Mack
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 9:30am |
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So, are they already paying royalties on the X7 Phenom?
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tallen702
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 9:57am |
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Not sure. Is it a true electro? Or is it a sear tripper? |
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 10:12am |
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I'd imagine that if one where to flip the switch into mechanical mode, it woukd function without the need for batteries. Hence the reason the flex valve was invented.
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tallen702
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 10:21am |
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*cough* Matrix and EMag *cough* While it never actually happened outside of the test-bed with the matrix, the E-Mag was a dual use valve just like this new marker. I'm not saying it's not going to be good or anything, just that the patent and IP situation in the PB world is that frikken stoopid. |
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FreeEnterprise
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 10:42am |
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I don't own one...
I considered getting one, but I've seen a few issues that scared me off from my guys that do own them at my field. Not sure if it was operator error or what, so I don't want to say something bad about them, as I really don't know from personal experience. But, we have guys with phenoms, and the mechanical x7s. It could be remote line stuff as well, as remote lines are horrible in the cold, unless you know what you are doing! I use one fine, but I keep it warm inside and air it up inside before I play so the o-rings have expanded and didn't get cold and brittle first.
I really don't want to have marker issues when I have 20+ friends out for one of my events and MY gun doesn't work...
The A-5 is so reliable, that I just use it, even in well below freezing temperatures. (it was around 26 degrees when we started on Saturday, weather person said the wind chill made it feel like 10 degrees).
Guys who bring high end guns over to play in the cold seem to have lots of problems, between the batteries dying on their hoppers really fast, to their guns not cycling properly, or weird board issues, which they blame on the cold.
I have no experience with those guns so I don't know for sure.
I do know for sure that spyders are WORTHLESS in the cold, and always leak, and have issues if it is below freezing. Not to mention, you CAN'T get them below 300fps, unless you cut their springs.
I think that the marker (especially the fact that you can use it as a mechanical) could really open up Tippmann to the "other" side of the sport.
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Reb Cpl
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:04am |
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Yeah....they made a monkey out of me....and I'm glad they did.
I was certain that they wouldn't throw their hat into the ring on this one. I accept the shame of being a dope.
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:14am |
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This is the "Stripped-Down Phenom" I have been waiting for. At first glance, It seems like a speedball inspired Phenom anyway. Maybe I am wrong. Now, I just wish I waited and didn't buy a Phenom, since this would suit my needs more....
So, Mods, Tippmann Employees, etc. Can I "test" one? Pretty Please? Edit: There is an OLD sticky saying "Tippmann will not: Release the cyclone for the 98, Sell the Hellhound, Make a Pistol, an Sl68III, and will never make a Speedball Gun"
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:17am |
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It's not exactly fantastic for their brand image continuity, but at least they are actually badging it as a Tippmann gun, as opposed to some of their other crossover and lower-end guns. Of course, that badging could end up being a really bad thing, if this gun ends up being a flop. |
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FreeEnterprise
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:22am |
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Looks good in the snow!
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Posted: 28 February 2012 at 11:27am |
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Either way, it appears to be a nice marker and has some features that many woodsballers wanting an electro Tippmann, but not wanting all the clunky milsim add ons may gravitate towards. It's also nice that it has the ability to use HPA or CO2. I see that it is capped at 15bps. I'm sure someone will be coming out with an aftermarket board soon that will increase this. Edited by oldpbnoob - 28 February 2012 at 11:34am |
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