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SSOK 
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 Topic: Tonights debatePosted: 03 October 2012 at 9:49pm |
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I am shocked I am the one starting this. I might regret it.
I am not heavily watching it since I need to do homework. My only thoughts are: Romney is talking/looking better than Obama. On the subject of taxes, Romney looked better than Obama. There was one part where Mitt was talking and I was watching Obamas face. I thought it was kinda funny because he looked kinda annoyed with mitt then had to throw on a big fake smile. Made me laugh. Also, I heard the redneck prhase of the day. "I bought a case of beer last night and drank it obamaself".
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agentwhale007
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Posted: 03 October 2012 at 10:31pm |
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Romney did very well in this debate. It'll bounce his campaign back some, I do think. I don't think Obama did poorly, I just think Romney did exceptionally well. And with his slumping pools, he needed this.
This is my one big point: This was a really, really clean debate. It didn't get petty like I thought it got in 2008 a little bit. Maybe it was because this one was pretty much all economic, not social issues, but everything stayed above the belt.
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Posted: 03 October 2012 at 10:48pm |
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It was not only clean, but informative. They're not talking down to people. |
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SSOK
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Posted: 03 October 2012 at 10:53pm |
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I watched the end and a few of my favorite things were Romney saying something like "and poor kids... I mean err underprivileged kids" and "Mr. President, you are entitled to your own house and your own plane, but not your own facts". Obama also looked... grumpy.
Overall, I still don't like either of them. I think Romney will sink our education system, and I think Obamacare is a crappy attempt at healthcare. I want socialized healthcare or private, not some hybrid mess. I also think Obama will make some second term attack on the Second Amendment, and Romney is the only chance in the foreseeable future that I might get a chance to CCW in my own state.
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Posted: 03 October 2012 at 11:27pm |
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Second term attack on the second amendment? HAHAHAHA
Please tell me more about this. |
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 1:11am |
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While I don't personally see it happening, I don't think that it's a completely illogical idea. By sheer tradition the democrats stand to lose 8 years of the presidency if Obama wins in 2012 (which I believe he will.) Obama's first term was almost shockingly light on social reform here on the domestic front. It's one of the key reasons you'll read from left wing commentators as to why he gets such a lukewarm response from his own party. The only reason I could think of as to why he hasn't pushed social issues is to keep from alienating moderates in his re-election bid. Otherwise there are some hot button issues he's been strangely shy on (aka gay rights.) That said, he never ran as a liberal, and honestly I don't think he's a major gun control pusher. I'd say Obama is far more moderate than he's given credit for, and in fact it seemed like he and Romney struggled to disagree with each other tonight. |
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 8:04am |
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hahahhaa. Obama did exactly as I expected him to do when forced to face facts. He strawmanned Romneys plan and got called on it, over and over and over. Course, he couldn't fall back on his OWN plan as he is an utter failure. 5 trillion in new debt and for what? A double dip recession, more unemployment, more underemployment. And massive increases in health care when he promised those costs would go down. Obama is only good at picking losers. But, it is what is expected from liberals. They have good intentions you know, but they never pan out... As far as his "gun control" ideology. It is pretty clear to anyone who doesn't have their head in the mud that Obama wanted to "skew" the numbers by pushing American guns into Mexican drug lords hands so he could crack down on gun sales in the US. As there is no other logical reason that I have heard as to why they were allowing thousands of guns to be purchased in that way in fast and furious... I wish the government would get out of the "news" business (npr), and the propaganda of our kids with PBS. We have enough liberal talking points daily. Course it is ironic that we borrow from a communist nation to fund our communist propaganda programming... Good intentions or something. Love how Obama said "if you choose me, it will be a harder job and a longer road". Ok, lets choose Romney and skip the double dip recession Obama will put us in with his failed policies?!?
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 8:51am |
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That was a good point as well. The general complaint about Obama's performance was that he was "professorial," as opposed to his normal sort of charismatic thing. I can see how that becomes a less-effective approach in a debate.
I could envision Romney's debate handler screaming at the monitor on that one. But this one:
Probably more than made up for it. That was a good zinger.
I think Obama didn't do enough in the debate to be like the kid in those anti-marijuana ads from the late 1970s. I LEARNED IT FROM YOU, MITT. He pushed the slightest bit on it, and Romney's response was "Well, in Massachusetts the bill was bipartisan." Well, yeah. Republicans in Massachusetts had the probably correct mindset that they were outnumbered, so it was better to help craft the legislation into something they could somewhat agree with than just get steamrolled. That's a bullet I thought Obama didn't load quite enough. I don't know what the strategy behind that was. (Also I agree with your sentiments on the HCRA, I'm just speaking from a campaign manager point of view). |
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 8:51am |
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Does anyone recall what obama did immediately following his inauguration to upset his voter base? The dems were very upset for like a whole week. I'm alluding to the short attention span of this nation.
Thanks for reminding people about romneycare whale. It's just seems so convenient how people forget things sometimes. Edited by Lightningbolt - 04 October 2012 at 8:55am |
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 8:56am |
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Pretty much, yeah. SSOK's right in the sense that if he were to try some sort of Federal or state-pushed reform for gun control, early-as-possible in the second term is when he's going to do it, simply to just not have it hurt the chances of the new Democrat behind Obama, whomever that ends up being. But, I agree with you. I don't think it's anything he's big on. And I certainly don't think it ends up being a talking point of the debates.
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 9:03am |
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Did anyone catch santorum on letterman last night? Dodgey comedian comes to mind.
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 9:38am |
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Obama wouldn't even LOOK up when being addressed... Then when he did talk, he wouldn't look at the camera. Course lying makes people less likely to make eye contact... I wonder if epic butt kicking is covered under Obamacare?...  Edited by FreeEnterprise - 04 October 2012 at 9:52am |
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 10:04am |
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FE, are you wearing a Snuggie while watching the debate?
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Innocence proves nothing
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 10:09am |
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You know- this might not be so far out in left field as some might think. License applications in my state (NY) are all done completely electronically now. I don't know how long the processes actually TAKE- but when I submitted my paperwork.....they were backlogged SIX MONTHS. Mine went on top of a pile that would best measured in feet not inches. Our county is not that big- and you're telling me that enough enough of our population is filing for licenses all at once that you're backed up so badly? Why? Could it be that the bulk of license applications are being held up in anticipation of something? Like some changes in the application process? Consider too that the background investigations go through federal levels, not just state and local. There could be a bottleneck at some level that even the local LE offices don't know about for some reason or other. Related perhaps to DHS purchasing several billion rounds of 5.56mm ammunition? I don't buy conspiracy issues much, but the part of me that doesn't trust the people in charge anymore has plenty of free time to wonder. |
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 10:15am |
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^^^Rifle, handgun and shotgun sales are up at my local shops.^^^^
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 10:43am |
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Again, near election time the gun club isn't accepting applications for membership.full
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 10:47am |
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I had stopped in at a local shop/dealer recently and he was saying how many AR and AK platforms are being ordered. Depending on the manufacturer, many are back ordered nearly 2 months or more. |
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 11:07am |
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I should have said I think it isn't out of the question that Obama may push something anti 2A.
There are a lot of people out there (read the NRA's American Rifleman) that believe Obama/Hitlery/Nazi Pelosi are comin to take der guhns! Through some evil second term amendment or something, or even using the UN to force registration of everything and blocking the sales on ammo. What I think may (stong word there) happen in a second Obama term: An increase in taxes on ammo and possibly guns, and blocking the online sale of ammo. Considering the James Holmes thing, now is the best time to block online sales. A roadblock to the national CCW movement going on right now. Gun sales are skyrocketing right now and a lot of people are looking to carry. A lot of people from the different gun culture in other states have traveled to NJ/NY with valid CCW licenses for their home state and got arrested. Many of them are also being let off the hook because NJ/NY doesn't want the spotlight on them. Possible new 1994 AWB.
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 11:51am |
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Things that stood out to me in the debate.
Obama crying to the mod to "move this along". Obama commenting on "aircrafts", another "corPSman" blunder, as aircraft is plural, and "aircrafts" is a destruction of the English language... Course if English was your second language... The media dying and falling over behind the curtain and disrupting the debate was humorous. Plus the polling that came out this morning that 47% don't care how bad Obama did, they are still voting for him no matter what. To that I really did laugh out loud. |
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Posted: 04 October 2012 at 11:59am |
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