Attention all Infidels

Better grab myself an infidel t-shirt.

What sparked this thread to be posted?

¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤ wrote: What sparked this thread to be posted?

I was looking through various online stores like Opsgear because that's what I do when I'm bored. There are a bunch of shirts that have the word on it. Considering the demographic that would wear this shirt, I did a quick look to find shirts that have "Christian Infidel" in them. It wasn't difficult to find a metric ass-load of these all over the internet.

Then, just to be clear before posting my mini-rant, I looked up "infidel." "Christian Infidel" is an oxymoron. Yet, I hear so many people (especially within the uber-conservative population of my school) who I know are Christian nuts that call themselves proud infidels when debating our current conflicts. I'm tired of people being this stupid and just had to comment on it.

tallen702 wrote: So, why do the Islamic radicals call us WASPs infidels?

Because you can be called an infidel if you believe in multiple gods. You've got God, Jesus, the Holy Ghost. 3 omnipotent entities, 3 gods. It would make sense for them to call you infidels. However, I don't think you understand the difficulty in translating the words they call us.

It's likely that they never use the word "infidel" regarding Christians. It's only what translators like to use because "kafir" is the catch-all term regarding non-islamic people, and we don't have a synonym for it. The word "kafir" is commonly translated to "infidel" (a word with latin roots that translates to "unfaithful"), but the meanings are different. To call someone a kafir is to say they do not believe in a single god OR that Mohammed is a prophet. You're correct in taking the word kafir as both those qualifications have been met. If you want to be stubborn and tell me the Trinity is a single god, then you still meet that second qualification.

To call someone an infidel, however, is to call him an atheist or a pagan. By calling yourself an infidel (and wearing it on your clothing) you are proudly proclaiming a lack of faith in the god you believe in. That's a grave sin, correct?

Irony is funny

Edited by Darur - 25 September 2009 at 9:36pm

Reb Cpl wrote: Tolgak wrote: tallen702 wrote: So, why do the Islamic radicals call us WASPs infidels? It's likely that they never use the word "infidel" regarding Christians. Of all the lunacy I've read on these boards.....I'm pretty sure this ranks riiiiiight up there.

They don't, it's not even a word in middle eastern languages and as far as I know, there is no direct translation. They may use "kafir," but it's NOT the same thing.

i thought it ment "one not touched by the hand of god" and being that they dont recognize any god but allah that any non muslim would be considered an "infidel".

this coming mostly from the "radicals"

these shirts are mostly ment to mock muslims.

High Voltage wrote: Reb Cpl wrote: Tolgak wrote: tallen702 wrote: So, why do the Islamic radicals call us WASPs infidels? It's likely that they never use the word "infidel" regarding Christians. Of all the lunacy I've read on these boards.....I'm pretty sure this ranks riiiiiight up there. Just because you're too slow to understand it, doesn't really make it lunacy.

Remember this little tidbit. It could serve you well in the future.

Reb Cpl wrote: High Voltage wrote: Reb Cpl wrote: Tolgak wrote: tallen702 wrote: So, why do the Islamic radicals call us WASPs infidels? It's likely that they never use the word "infidel" regarding Christians. Of all the lunacy I've read on these boards.....I'm pretty sure this ranks riiiiiight up there. Just because you're too slow to understand it, doesn't really make it lunacy. Remember this little tidbit. It could serve you well in the future.

There's a difference between understanding and agreeing. For instance, I understand why FE and OS hate Obama, but I disagree with them.


Edited by High Voltage - 26 September 2009 at 4:35pm